Have you ever struggled with feeling like an imposter at work and that no matter how many hours you put in, you don’t ever feel successful?
If so, this episode is for you!
Today, Nicole talks to author Kristi Coulter about her new book, EXIT INTERVIEW: The Life and Death of My Ambitious Career, a memoir about her decade-long journey of lessons and challenges at Amazon. Kristi talks frankly about the brutal culture at this male-dominated company, and the tiny steps she took over many years to regain her self-worth and authenticity during her tenure.
Tune in to learn more about how Kristi stopped suppressing her authentic self at work, the power of accepting failure with grace, and the transformative moments that led to her exit from Amazon.
Kristi Coulter is the author of EXIT INTERVIEW: THE LIFE & DEATH OF MY AMBITIOUS CAREER (out 9.12.23) and the memoir-in-essays NOTHING GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS, a finalist for the Washington State Book Award. Her work has also appeared in New York Magazine, The Paris Review, Glamour, Elle, and elsewhere. She lives in Seattle and Los Angeles and teaches writing at Hugo House.
“I realized when I quit drinking that if I wanted to stay sober, I had to actually have a tolerable life. Otherwise, you’re just white-knuckling yourself your way through life. So for me, at first, I thought, well, do I have to leave Amazon? Do I have to leave this career? Then I thought, well, let’s see if I can make it work as a sober person. That meant just being a little bit more myself, having better boundaries, and just doing the things I needed to do to make sure I had rest, to make sure I took care of myself so that I could both work in this insane pressure cooker and stay sober. The thing that happened after that was that I started to like myself for like, maybe the first time in decades since childhood.”
“It got to a point where I was so miserable and I was sober at this point, so I knew, oh, it wasn’t just that you were drinking before. This job was not right for me. I hated it. The organization was a mess, and I thought, ‘I can’t leave because then people will think I failed.’ This little voice said, ‘Well, so maybe they’ll think you failed. Maybe you did fail at this job. What about that?’ It was the first time I’d ever thought I could just let myself fail at something and then go on and do something that would be better for me. In hindsight, that was an incredibly transformative moment.”
“I had a product manager who worked for me once who said his motto was, ‘Fail fast and fail loud,’ which I thought was great. Don’t drag it out forever, and when you fail, be open about it.”
“The company runs on fear and thrives on fear to an extent, but it also attracts people who do that to themselves. So what I had to learn was that I could say, ‘I’m going to work on scaring myself less and see what happens.’”
“I remember at one point I went from that role into one that just happened to be a lot easier for me. It just played to my strengths. The pressure was a lot lower, and I felt really guilty because I felt like I was coasting. I had coffee with a vice president one day, and I confessed to her that I felt really bad about this. She said, ‘Are you crazy? Don’t ever apologize for coasting now and then. We all have to take roles where we just coast and rest.’ And I thought, wow, I wish somebody had said this to me five years ago, six years ago…You can’t go at 120 miles an hour your whole career. I think at minimum, you’ll start to make some bad decisions, and at maximum, you may burn yourself out entirely or wreck your business.”
“I started to select roles that I knew could play to my strengths. I had always had this mindset that I needed to address my weaknesses before playing to my strengths. I think Amazon, as a company, had the same mindset. There was always much more focus on what you’d done wrong than what you had done right.”
“Midway through my Amazon career, my self-esteem was so low that I thought I would be unemployable anywhere else. I truly thought I was so bad that if Amazon ever figured out how bad I was and got rid of me, I would not be able to get a job anywhere. This was based not on reality. This was inside my mind completely but it was a common thing at Amazon. People would get so beaten down that they would just think they were unemployable, so that kept me stuck.”
NICOLE
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Hello, friends. Welcome back to the School of Self-Worth. One of my intentions in this podcast is to host powerful women and have honest, thought-provoking conversations about success. Sometimes we are so on the mark, it has to be digested in two parts. Today I’m so excited to share the first part of my conversation with guest and author, Kristi Coulter. Her new book, Exit Interview, is about her decade-plus journey at Amazon. In the book, she lays bare the often brutal culture at the company, the exhaustion she felt trying to succeed in a male-dominated company, and the toll it took on her personally. In the first part of our interview, she talks about how she took to drinking to cope with the intense work environment and her journey to take ownership of her life by going sober, and the impact that had on her experience of finding herself.
If you are struggling with fear of failure or impostor syndrome, do not miss out on this episode. There are so many insights here for you. And if you are a high-achieving career woman who wants to get on the right side of your intuition in 30 days, using the intuitive blueprint, DM me 30 on Instagram @NicoleTsong. I’ve got something for you.
Okay, let’s do this. Let’s dive into this conversation. Well, Kristi, I am so happy to welcome you to the School of Self-Worth. Thanks for being on.
KRISTI COULTER
Thank you for having me.
NICOLE
Well, I was just saying beforehand that I finished your book three days ago. So I have been really immersed in the world of Kristi and Exit Interview, and of Amazon in particular, and there are so many questions I have for you.
KRISTI COULTER
Gosh.
NICOLE
I’m actually just going to start with this one thing. I read it on my phone, and this is the one thing I took notes on, or not even took notes on, but I noted right away this particular line. You said, ‘Please remember the day when just being myself did not, in fact, lead directly to doom’. You know, the context of your book is really about your journey through Amazon and your experience being there and then all the moments that kind of accumulated over time for you to eventually leave the company and then lead on to this book. So, I’m curious, in the context of that whole journey, because you put it up as a Facebook post, I believe, after two years of sobriety. If you could give us some context around where you were at that point, because it seemed like a bit of a turning point, and I’d love to hear more about it.
KRISTI COULTER
This is the time when I posted on Facebook that I was sober, and the world didn’t know. I was a drinker for about half my Amazon career and sober for the second half. It’s like in the tech world, they talk about where you test two and it’s like a perfect A/B test. I had been sober a couple of years at that point, and my friends knew, some people at work that I was close to knew, and it’s not like it was hidden exactly, but I had never sort of said, ‘World, you know I don’t drink anymore’. And I had this fear that saying so, especially in front of Amazon, people could somehow paint me as damaged. Amazon was placed with such relentlessly high standards for really perfect, almost superhuman abilities and stamina, that to expose any weakness was terrifying. But I was also two years sober then. I was still doing great at work, better, if anything. And I got to a point where I felt like my work self and my non-work self, (I was about to say my real self, which is telling), needed to come together a little bit more. I thought, well, it’s my second sober anniversary. I was actually away for work at Amazon, in Issaquah at this beautiful lodge overlooking a waterfall, the waterfall from Twin Peaks, actually. And I sat there looking at this waterfall and I just thought, well, I’m going to do it. I’m going to say it’s been two years since my last drink, and if it ruins my career, it ruins my career, I’ll get a job somewhere else.
It seems obvious now, that that was not going to happen, but it felt like a big risk at the time, and it didn’t happen. If anything, it brought me closer to people at Amazon, people I had never known more than to say ‘hi’ to, were suddenly stopping me in the hallway to say, ‘My cousin has been sober for three years and I’m so proud of her.’ Or suddenly, everyone at Amazon who I didn’t know was a recovering alcoholic, was coming out to me, including people in very high positions of power. And so it was incredibly empowering both to get that kind of affirmation and to realize that I was willing to walk away from the job if I couldn’t be an ‘out’ sober person. It’s more important to me to be a whole person than to work at this one particular company.
NICOLE
Well, there are so many things that come up when you say this, and for context for everyone, Kristi and I met years and years ago through yoga. We were both on the board for ‘Yoga Behind Bars’, and yoga is all about opening up to yourself and being vulnerable and able to be yourself. It’s interesting to hear how much contrast, and really the book is so much about that contrast, of how you had to suppress yourself, or you did suppress yourself for so long, and then you started to really work your way out of it. And it’s a very long journey to that. And so I’m curious for you writing the book and looking back at that, what was that exact turning point for you? Because I know that a lot of the people listening are looking for that. They’re trying to figure out what it is, who they are, and they might be working in really intense places like you did. And what do you feel like? I don’t know if there was any one particular moment in your journey, but if you could just start to pinpoint what it was that got you to say, ‘Hey, maybe this isn’t right. This isn’t actually how I want to be in my life.’
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah, that’s a great question. It was a lot of little moments, as you say, but I think getting sober was definitely one of them because I realized when I quit drinking, that if I wanted to stay sober, I had to actually have a tolerable life. Surprise, surprise! Otherwise, you’re just white-knuckling yourself through life. At first, I thought, well, do I have to leave Amazon? Do I have to leave this career? Then I thought, well, let’s see if I can make it work as a sober person. And that meant just being a little bit more myself, having better boundaries, and just doing the things I needed to do to make sure I had rest, to make sure I took care of myself so that I could both work in this insane pressure cooker and stay sober.
The thing that happened after that was that I started to like myself for the first time in, I don’t know, decades since childhood. And the more I liked myself, the more I thought, well, you deserve a decent life. I was someone who would always just suck it up and do whatever it took to get by to get ahead. I always felt like I was probably fooling people, so I’d better be extra perfect. And I stopped thinking that I should have to do that. I mean, obviously, I still knew I had to work really hard and be really good, but there started to be some limits on it.
The other thing that comes to mind is, I had a job. I had several roles at Amazon and one that I failed at. I say fail, by my standards, but it was fine. I was doing a perfectly okay job, but I wasn’t great at it. That was an intolerable thought to me that I would not absolutely nail everything I did. And I got to a point where I was so miserable, and I was sober at this point, so I knew it wasn’t because I was drinking before. This job was just not right for me. I hated it. The organization was a mess, and I thought I can’t leave because then people will think I failed. Then this little voice said, ‘Well, so maybe they’ll think you failed. Maybe you did fail at this job. What about that?’ And it was the first time I’d ever thought I could just let myself fail at something and then go on and do something that would be better for me. In hindsight, that was an incredibly transformative moment. I certainly didn’t like it at the time, but the idea that I could just say, well, yeah, this wasn’t for me, I wasn’t right for this, I failed, was so freeing. So freeing.
NICOLE
Well, I’d love to do a little bit more with that because I feel like failure is a big thing for people, especially in corporate environments or really intense workplaces where they feel like they can’t fail. Failing is not an option, etc. But that’s not actually true in real life, right?
KRISTI COULTER
No.
NICOLE
For you, was it actually being in the midst of failure that let you think, ‘I’m failing at this’? What did you have to talk yourself through to be okay with that? Or was there somebody who supported you in processing that?
KRISTI COULTER
It was mostly me. I had a therapist, but I wouldn’t have dared to say to anyone, that I think I’m failing. And it’s interesting because Amazon as a company is actually quite comfortable with failure. They take a lot of risks. They’ll try projects that sound crazy, and sometimes they turn out to be brilliant and sometimes it is crazy, or 20 years ahead of its time.
I had a product manager who worked for me once who said his motto was, ‘Fail fast and fail loud’, which I thought was great…. don’t drag it out forever! When you fail, be open about it. I think some of this I was actually putting on myself because it’s certainly not like I had failed projects at Amazon or meetings that went badly. I mean, we all fail. But it was just this mental mindset that if I failed, that the organization was just waiting to catch me in a failure and just spit me out. And that’s not actually true. I mean, even at a place that is as brutal as Amazon, and it really is a brutal Darwinian work environment, people aren’t just looking to catch you out. Most people want you to succeed, and most people aren’t going to judge you as harshly as you judge yourself. I mean, there will be people who I’ve worked with who say, ‘You didn’t fail. You were doing a good job.’ But I felt like a failure, and I knew other people would be much better at the job. I think the company runs on fear and thrives on fear to an extent, but I think also attracts people who do that to themselves.
What I had to learn was that I could say, ‘I’m going to work on scaring myself less and see what happens’. And I remember at one point I went from that role into one that just happened to be a lot easier for me. It just played to my strengths. The pressure was a lot lower, and I felt really guilty because I felt like I was coasting. I had coffee with a vice president one day, and I confessed to her that I felt really bad about this. And she said, ‘Are you crazy? Don’t ever apologize for coasting; now and then we all have to take roles where we just coast and rest’. And I thought, wow, I wish somebody had said this to me five years ago, six years ago. I had no idea that there were people who would say that was okay. And it is. You can’t go at 120 miles an hour your whole career. I think at minimum, you’ll start to make some bad decisions, and at maximum, you may burn yourself out entirely or wreck your business, or something like that.
NICOLE
I mean, I noticed at the beginning of the book the mentality you had. In this journey, by the way, I have to say, SHE makes conversations about what’s happening at work riveting. I would just be like, ‘What’s going to happen at the end of this? Is it broccoli rabe? Ra-be? What is it?’ There are these conversations in there that seem so inane, and yet I was like, what happens? What comes to our vision? So you did a really beautiful job of illustrating what can happen at work and how intense and emotional and dramatic it can really feel in those moments. I loved that you just kept me on the edge of my seat throughout the whole book, which was really amazing. And in that space, what would you say? Was it about yourself? Because obviously, you said you were drawn into this culture, which is run on fear to some extent. You stayed for a really long time. How many years was it in total?
KRISTI COULTER
Twelve years. The average at Amazon is less than two.
NICOLE
A long time. Would you say the process felt maybe slower because you stayed for so long, it didn’t spit you out right away? Was it because you stayed for so long that you kind of internalized it? Would you say that you internalized the culture in a deep way?
KRISTI COULTER
Absolutely. I mean, I tore up my life to come to Amazon. My husband and I moved from Michigan, where we’d been for twelve years, and I didn’t know anyone in Seattle. Amazon is so intense and such a pressure cooker that it’s like you’re just thrown into the deep end of the ocean. The people are mostly great to work with, but they don’t have any time to really stop and help you. They just kind of assume that you’re going to figure it out, and I was not someone who was used to ever failing. I was like the girl who got promoted every two years like clockwork, wherever she’d worked, a straight-A student. The whole classic overachiever. I was just so desperate to keep up for at least the first two years. It was the dumbest I’ve ever felt in my life because in every room there was someone who was smarter than me. Almost everybody knew more than I did about working at Amazon. I mean, just the acronyms alone, I was just like, what are they saying?
By the time I got my feet under me well, the other thing about Amazon is there’s change all the time. The company was growing things. You’d have reorgs or get moved to new roles. Just about the time when I’d feel comfortable in a job, something would change, something big. I’d get a new team under me, or I would change roles proactively. I never really had time to just feel like, ‘Yes, I’m the master of my universe. I’ve got this.’ In some ways, I did that to myself because once I feel like I’m the master of my universe, I get bored. I start thinking like, well, what other universes are out there?
I think it took me really drinking myself into a state of just constant anxiety, on top of the Amazon anxiety, to bring me to that bottom and make me realize something had to change. It was getting sober and coming out of it that made me realize I don’t have to live like this. And at that point, I stayed another five years because frankly, the pay was crazy. I was paid largely in stock options and the stock had been $45 a share when I got there, and it was well into the thousands at that point. So I was being wildly overpaid for the market, and that is powerful. As much as we’d all like to think that it doesn’t matter, it matters. I was also starting to express myself a little bit and become a little more myself in the workplace, and I liked that. It was really working for me. I had another five years where I got to play with being me at work and seeing how far I could push that. It was like a really cool kind of laboratory.
NICOLE
That is really interesting when you were talking about how, for the first five years, you were just in this deep anxiety all the time. A lot of times when I think about worth – and I work with women about this particular issue – around when we are seeing our job as our entire value and worth on the planet. Then, when you can start to separate it – and what it sounds like is after a few years you could separate it a little bit – there was still enough to keep you tied there. Take us then to the point at which you actually started to recognize that you might want to leave it, and what did it take within you to actually do that?
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah, a couple of interesting things happened. I started to select roles that I knew could play to my strengths. I had always had this mindset that I needed to address my weaknesses before playing to my strengths. And I think Amazon, as a company, had the same mindset. There was always much more focus on what you’d done wrong than what you had done right. I got to a point where I thought well, of course, you always want to grow, but I was a writer, I was very talented, and I thought maybe I should do something with ‘know’ within this context and not try to become the world’s most brilliant quantitative ‘know’, which I could be competent at, but I’m never going to be the best. I’m not a statistician. So I took on a role with Amazon Go, which is the Just Walk Out Supermarket and I was the chief writer and the only writer. It was a secret project, and I was suddenly in a role where my core talent on Earth, the thing I’ve always been good at, was what mattered to my success. And it was wild. Suddenly the thing I’m great at is the thing that matters. And it really mattered. I had immense scope of role. It was a huge job. The powers that be understood how important it was. I’d never before been around vice presidents who knew that words could matter. I felt respected and like I was part of something really exciting. And that kept me going for a while until I started to run out of ‘runway for growth’ there.
I started to get bored. The job started to get easy. I was writing on my own outside of work. I’d started writing for the first time in like twelve years and I was starting to have some success. I had an essay about sobriety and feminism go mega-viral, like one of those fairytale things that just doesn’t happen to most people. I’m getting this validation on the outside and realizing I really love writing. In a strange way, I started to feel like I had outgrown Amazon. Like I didn’t have the runway there to keep growing the way I wanted, and outside the company, there was nothing but runway. It felt almost sacrilegious to think I’m outgrowing Amazon because it sounds so arrogant. I think it’s the largest employer, and who outgrows that?
As a woman, and it’s a highly gendered place, what it could offer me no longer met my own ambitions for myself. It was really this mix of running out of growth area there and realizing I had natural talents that the world would appreciate got me there. I think it’s important to say that by midway through my Amazon career, my self-esteem was so low that I thought I would be unemployable anywhere else. I truly thought I was so bad, that if Amazon ever figured out how bad I was and got rid of me, I would not be able to get a job anywhere else. But this was not based on reality. This was completely inside my mind, and it was a common thing at Amazon. People would get so beaten down that they would just think they were unemployable. So that kept me stuck.
NICOLE
I can see how that would keep you stuck, right? You’re like, oh well, there’s no one else. Even though in the real world, obviously you’re highly employable because you had spent all that time at Amazon, and you could get exactly so many jobs right out of it.
KRISTI COULTER
My husband said it’s like being a Navy Seal. Locally there was all this fear. I did hear about companies that were wary of hiring people from Amazon because they were either jerks or they were so burned out that they had to be rehabbed, like the wounded.
There was a rumor about another big tech company in town that had a deprogramming program or something. I have no idea if that’s true or not, but it sounded kind of nice. I was like, okay, I’ll do deprogramming. I’ll take that help, for sure.
NICOLE
Well, I wanted to go back to what you were talking about, how that low self-esteem point is what kept you there for so long? But then when you started to recognize you had talents and places to go that were outside of the company, how did you start to actually act upon that? Because I think that’s where a lot of people really get stuck when your worth and value have been tied into your job for so long, and all of a sudden, you’re recognizing it. And recognizing it is huge. Awareness is always the first step, and the actual act of doing it is such a big thing. So I’m curious about that place.
KRISTI COULTER
That was really scary. And even once I knew that I wanted to go, I think I probably still dithered for a good year about it. Part of it was that I did like the work I was doing. At that point, I’d been there for twelve years. You have really close friends at the company. I was working with people who I’d worked with in my first role at Amazon, and it’s nice to have a place to go where you actually know what to do.
So, on the outside, I’d had this essay go viral. I suddenly had the kinds of opportunities I never thought I’d have as a writer. I had agents offering to represent me, and I was getting invitations to write for magazines like Glamour. I was doing some of this in my abundant free time. I got a book deal. So I think probably within a month of the essay going viral, I had signed a deal to write my first memoir. Now, the money was not remotely life-changing money, and especially by Amazon standards. I remember thinking because I’ve been so financially fortunate, it makes like, what could change a 25-year-old’s life? I was 48. It wasn’t like I should quit my job, but it did spur me to think.
First of all, I took a leave of absence to finish my book. Amazon has a Leave of Absence program, and I took three months away. What I noticed then was that I didn’t miss it at all. I also didn’t feel relief to be away. I just kind of felt this complete separation, like, well, there’s that company over there where I’ve been going for a long time every day, and now I’m over here doing this thing. And the leave was really informative because I realized I loved writing. I had been afraid that writing every day might actually just drive me crazy, or kill me, not having a schedule. But I was like, no, this is good. I like it. I have a goal; I have a structure. It’s just new. When I went back after the leave, I already knew I could make a life outside Amazon. Ultimately, I realized to move toward what I wanted to do, which was write full-time, I would have to leave. I mean, there was no way I could sustain writing books and working in, like, a senior role at Amazon. I was also starting to have an idea that I wanted to write this book, specifically. I was like, ethically, I was going to have to go.
I don’t name Amazon in my first book or in the essay that went viral, but it was pretty evident where I worked, and they were great about it. The company never said, hey, you’re making us look bad. But at some point, enough was going to be enough. It really was what I think a lot of people end up doing, which is having something they want more than what they already have. And financially, we were fortunate enough to know that it wasn’t like I never needed to earn money again, but I had some runway. We could be careful; we could cut expenses. Once my husband and I started talking like that and figuring out how to plan this out, it just started to steamroll. Just more and more pieces fell into place. It was finally just death by a 1000-cuts thing when I finally decided to leave. It had to do with organizational changes that just made me feel really disrespected in the way it was handled. Instead of just being mad, I thought, well, you could be mad, or you could just go. Maybe this is the sign that you should leave. So I did. And it felt like ending a huge era of my life, but was also clearly the right thing to do at the right time. Does that answer your question?
NICOLE
It does, yes. Well, it’s such a powerful story around how to do that and how it happens. I have so many more questions around this current era of your life, and I wanted to go back to one piece about how you said Amazon was really supportive when your essay went viral, and your first book came out. You’ve also made it really clear in the book that change from within was very challenging.
It’s a really tough thing, and I don’t feel like you wrote the book for that intention, but do you feel like this book could actually help facilitate some of the change, especially around the gendered environment? Like you said, for women? There are a lot of stats in the book about how challenging it is to be in a leadership role, and would you hope that people there might actually take it seriously after reading your book?
KRISTI COULTER
I would love that. I would absolutely love that. Amazon reports their gender data publicly every year, and it goes up by women in leadership, by maybe 1%. I mean, they’re just not making progress. And the thing about Amazon is when they want to do something well, they can do it so well that a reporter once asked me if I thought Jeff Bezos cared about gender at Amazon? And I said I didn’t think so. Because if he did, it would look really different. Like, he would come up with some idea that sounded ludicrous, that would just turn out to be brilliant because that’s what he often does.
I wrote the book because I wanted women to know that when they feel crazy at work, that it’s not just them. It’s not that Amazon was a place where there were swimsuit calendars hanging around. I wasn’t sexually harassed. It’s just this tiny little bit of aggression everywhere you go. And I think a lot of it comes down to the idea of meritocracy, which has started to be dissected in recent years, that at Amazon, it’s this idea that meritocracy just means the best people are going to naturally rise to the top. And if you don’t rise to the top, you’re not the best people. But meritocracy is not a natural system. It’s a system built by people to usually reflect the status quo. What I would love to see happen at Amazon and companies like Amazon, is for the mostly white men who run these places to go, right? Maybe we have biases we can’t even see. Maybe we’re not terrible misogynists. We don’t understand that when we’re thinking about the best, our brains are unconsciously programmed to see people who look like us. I would like for the men I worked with, most of whom were what you would call good guys, they weren’t jerks, to just realize how much more internal work women are doing every day at the office just to fit in, just to seem like the right amount. Not so female that they remind them of their mom or someone they want to date, but also not so male that they seem threatening, that women are really walking a tightrope.
NICOLE
Well, I really get that message, and I feel like you do such a good job of pointing it out, and I think any woman would relate to it, whether you’re in a corporate environment or not. Like the constant my husband and I talk about in the neighborhood; I don’t wave at all the neighbors because I don’t always want attention. I’ve had attention my whole life. I don’t actually want attention sometimes. Whereas he’s very friendly. He’s waving to everybody.
I think that it’s a very gendered experience, I feel like you do a really great job of sharing that, and how for all of us, it’s like being aware of that in so many contexts. I love that part of the book.
Thank you so much for tuning into today’s episode. Stay tuned for next week when Kristi and I talk about how she applies the lessons she learned about self-worth on her journey as an author and a writer. She shares remarkable insight about where she is today, and you do not want to miss what she says in part 2. So make sure to come back next week.
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