{YCC Alumni Series} Pivoting from Corporate to Running a Dream Business with Kim Moy

• The importance of self-care and prioritization (8:18)
• Discovering what truly matters to you and living a life of purpose (16:31)
• The power of coaching and therapy (26:56)

“Motherhood and being an entrepreneur, I would say, are the toughest jobs in the world. Being an entrepreneur, it tests your stamina. It tests your mindset and your beliefs in yourself. And I feel like I’m constantly being challenged in a good way, and I feel like I’m here to grow.”

“Wanting to get promoted is a personal growth journey. Dating is a personal growth journey. Entrepreneurship is as long as you bring in that mindset and that mentality.”

“I was still working in my corporate job, and while I enjoyed the intellectual challenges of the job and enjoyed my team, and we had definitely a lot of interesting work ahead of us, I started feeling this calling to pursue my passion to support fellow caregivers.”

“There were different times in my corporate career of 30 years where I was more, in my truth or more how to say, aligned. And I was actually really into my work and I felt there was a really deep connection. And then, as you know, over 30 years, you know, there’s ebbs and flows, right, in terms of what’s more important to you. And you have life experiences that make things different and things shift within yourself. And that’s what I experienced.

“I knew I had to leave my corporate job to really live. What I felt, again, was my ikigai and my real calling.”

NICOLE

Hello friends. Welcome back to the School of Self-Worth. I’m your host, Nicole Tsong. Today, I am so excited to welcome to the podcast one of my clients, Kim Moy. When I first met Kim, she was struggling in a corporate job, hearing a call for what was next for her and not knowing what it was time for her to do. The work she did in her six months with me and Your Clear Calling helped her see that pathway forward. Now, Kim is full-time supporting other caregivers like herself with her dream business. I cannot wait for you to hear the details of this journey.  It truly is inspiring to see the way she made this pivot and was able to step into her own business. So stay tuned for that. And if you are a high-achieving, mission-driven Asian American woman who wants to pivot your career in 60 days so you can step into your aligned purpose, DM me ‘pivot’ @ nicoletsong on Instagram. I’ve got something there for you.

Okay, friends, let’s dive into this remarkable conversation. Welcome to the School of Self-Worth, a podcast for ambitious women who know they are worthy of an astoundingly great life. Join us weekly as we get on the right side of your intuition, redefine success, and reclaim your self-worth. I’m your host, Nicole Tsong, an award-winning journalist who left it all behind to become a bestselling author of three books and work-life balance expert, helping ambitious women unlock their intuition and step into a life of fulfillment and radical joy.

Every single week, I will bring you diverse and meaningful conversations with successful women from all walks of life who share insight about what it takes to be brave, joyful, and authentic every day. Every episode is thoughtfully designed to leave you feeling empowered with tangible tips and advice that will lead you to your next breakthrough. Kim, welcome to the School of Self-Worth. What a joy to have you on the podcast with us today.

KIM MOY 

Well, thank you for having me, Nicole.

NICOLE 

I’m so excited to have you all meet Kim. Kim is a longtime client, and I invited her on to share about her experiences, to talk about everything she’s doing, because she’s made so many strides and so many major shifts in her life since she joined. But I’m just going to give you a little bit of background on Kim, because Kim is not only an entrepreneur, she’s a mother, she’s a caregiver, she’s a wife, and she actually lives not that far from me in Seattle. I love that she’s close by here as well. So, Kim, can you take us back? Like, we were just talking about how long ago it was that you met me and found me. Could you bring us back in time to that place of where you were in your life before you started going into coaching and getting support?

KIM MOY 

Yeah. Thanks, Nicole. Boy, three years ago, I feel like I was in a completely different space, just mentally and emotionally. I was still working in my corporate job, and while I enjoyed the intellectual challenges of the job and enjoyed my team, and we had definitely a lot of interesting work ahead of us, I started feeling this calling to pursue my passion to support fellow caregivers. Prior to that, I had been leading a monthly support group for caregivers of my husband’s illness, which is myalgic encephalomyelitis. It’s also known as chronic fatigue syndrome. It affects millions of people in the US and worldwide.

Now, a lot of people with long COVID are also experiencing these same debilitating symptoms. And so while I was doing this monthly support group, I knew that I could do more. I wanted to do more to support fellow caregivers. Yet I was too scared. I was too scared to quit my corporate job, which then, you know, paid the bills. I had health insurance, I had benefits, and my identity was wrapped up with my job, my paid job. I was kind of teetering on the edge of, oh, my God, what do I do? I really want to do this other thing I’m very passionate about, but I’m scared. I’m scared of making the leap into the unknown. And at that time, I heard about you, actually through LinkedIn, because a mutual friend of ours had liked one of your posts.

As I looked further into it, I’m like, oh, I think Nicole’s talking to people like me. And it just really resonated—everything from perfectionism to working really long hours to, you know, just doing a really good job and just working really hard. So a lot of the messages you had, really resonated. That’s when I reached out.

NICOLE 

Amazing. Yeah. I remember when you came in and started to look at all of these challenges around the perfectionism and just working so hard, because at that time, in your corporate job, I feel like you were working pretty crazy hours. Is that right?

KIM MOY

Yeah. I was pretty good about not working nights and weekends, but I was working back to back, not taking breaks, sometimes forgetting to eat lunch, and having to wake up sometimes pretty early because we had meetings in Europe or other things, you know, because I’m based here in Seattle on the west coast. I was managing a team, and we just had lots and lots of meetings.

NICOLE

So it was just a constant grind all the time where you’re just working back to back, long hours, long days, and then in the evenings, I remember, you just didn’t have any energy left, and you were supporting your family, and then you were also trying to work really hard to get out of this job.

KIM MOY

Yeah. At that time, I kind of thought, like, hey, I really need to slow down. And I actually have slowed down compared to previous years, so I thought I was taking pretty good care of myself. But then after starting to work with you, I’m like, oh, I wasn’t really taking care of myself, not to the degree that I really needed to.

NICOLE

Yeah. And then could you say, too, do you feel like just the way you were raised in your childhood probably contributed to some of those pieces? You know, like a lot of the women listening are Asian American, and they have had those experiences. Is that something you feel like you learned culturally, growing up?

KIM MOY

Oh, absolutely. So my parents were immigrants, and they sacrificed so much to allow me and my sister to attend college, and to take all the different types of after-school classes when we were growing up, all of these things. So I saw them work. When I say work, I mean, they were working six days a week, and only had Tuesdays off, and we never went out to eat or take vacations until much later in life. They were just working, working, and they were in survival mode as immigrants, and that was kind of something that I saw and felt was what I needed to do, too, to succeed. And I needed to succeed to make my parents proud of me.  I think that just became my natural m.o., to just keep on working.

NICOLE

But there was just such a cost that was happening at that time, even when we started to work together. And then what would you say, coming into the program, you came into my main course here, Clear Calling, at that time. What was it for you that you started to see differently about yourself? What did you start to understand about some of the workaholic tendencies and also what you wanted to do to move into actually being in the caregiving space full-time?

KIM MOY

Oh, my goodness. Well, I think part of it, like I mentioned before, had to do with really pausing and taking care of myself. One of the things that you taught me and that I now teach caregivers, is the idea of doing something for yourself. In the morning, first thing, before you take care of anyone else, before you unload the dishwasher or what have you, you do something for yourself, even if it’s just five or ten minutes, that gives you enough of restoration and the feeling of making yourself a priority, that allows you to kind of fuel up, and then you are able to take care of others. Just that simple five or ten minutes a day, to pause and do that first.

The other practice that I love, and I still do to this day, is the ‘good jobs’ list. Before going to sleep, I write down the good jobs that I did that day, that I’m proud of and that I took care of, that no-one else may have seen. So my husband may not see that I made all these phone calls for his doctor’s appointment. My kids may not have seen that I did all these other things right, but I know I did them, and no-one’s going to tell me ‘good job!’, but myself. And so in writing them down, I give myself a ‘good job!’, and I just really, really love that practice. And, Nicole, I want to say thank you for teaching that to me. And on behalf of all the caregivers I work with, they thank you, too, because they have found that transformative.

NICOLE

It’s kind of funny because I remember when I learned that practice, and I didn’t really think I was that hard on myself, you know, until you start to do it. And then you have to actually recognize that you’re not doing that at all. You’re mostly critical of yourself or challenging yourself. And what would you say you noticed about yourself in this process of even doing some really basic essential? Like, these are foundational pieces you learn when you work with me. What did you notice and observe in your own experience of how you related to yourself?

KIM MOY

I’ve realized that I have this critical voice in my head, and it’s always saying, oh, you’re not doing enough. And I’m never fast enough, good enough, brilliant enough. All of those things is the voice in my head. Then when I start writing down all the things that I did, I’m like, oh, my God, I got a lot done today. I have to be proud of myself. And, yes, maybe I didn’t do X, Y, and Z, this big project that’s multistep. But look at all these other things I got done, and given that I had all these other things that I did today, I should be really proud of myself and I’m going to still work on this other big project.

NICOLE

Yes, absolutely. I love that. I think a lot of times, especially when we get into perfectionism, we get into this all or nothing mentality. So essentially, if you didn’t complete everything now, you didn’t do anything. None of it counted. Then you get into this crazy cycle where it’s like it has to be everything, but then you work yourself to the bone and you might still not finish it anyway. So  now you feel like, oh, man, I did nothing, versus the truth: which is you actually did quite a few things, just not everything that you wanted to. And I’m curious because since we met, you left your corporate job, and you pivoted to being an entrepreneur. How have some of these practices  come into play in your entrepreneurial journey? Like, what has it been like for you to be out on your own, not tied to a corporate job and that kind of security  – to now have to basically create your own gig every day?

KIM MOY

Yeah, it’s ‘be careful what you wish for’. You want freedom? Well, you get freedom. But then you are your own boss, for better or for worse. So in the very initial stages, I was actually overworking my first month after leaving my corporate job.  I was back-to-back doing things for my own self, my own company, and was actually burning out after month one. And after month one, I got sick. I had a really bad cold. And I’m like, uh oh, this is not good. It cannot be this way. This is not what I should be doing to myself. No-one is doing this to me. I’m my worst boss. And I realized that, oh, wow, I need to pace myself and I need to be kind to myself. And I would say even though it’s been a year and a half since I’ve left my corporate job, I have really appreciated some of the messages and some lessons you continue to remind me of.  To be kind to yourself, to be patient, to keep your eye on the prize. Go in that direction, but don’t be so attached to your goal of  X number – whether it be X number of people who’ve enrolled in your program or X number of people who have posted on your social media post, you do not need to be attached to that number. It’s you’re going in the right direction, and then it will just constantly build. That’s one of the lessons. There are many, but that’s something that’s top of mind right now.

NICOLE

Kim’s been in my Mastermind now, and we’ve been working a lot on those business pieces, but I feel like everything you learn in that foundational part of the course is so important to where you are now. I’m going to just backtrack a little bit in time to that moment where it was clear that your job was done, and you were moving on. What would you say you learned or were coached through that allowed you to be able to make that transition? Because for so many people, they might think that, but it’s like a little bit of ‘pie in the sky’. It’s like you want to in theory, but have no idea how that could possibly happen. And you’re somebody who actually made that shift. What would you say helped you the most during that transition period?

KIM MOY

Well, I have a little bit of a confession, and that is I went into your retreat that year on beautiful Hawaii, and I went with the intention of getting up enough courage to then leave my job, my corporate job, and I knew I wanted it, and I knew I was going to do it, that I was just scared to take that actual step, to take that plunge. And I have to say, at the end of the retreat, I actually knew I was going to do it. I was going to pull the trigger. I was just going to look at my calendar and figure out when I was going to tell my manager this news that I was going to be leaving the company. When I got back, my first one-on-one with my manager was that they had a reorganisation, and my position had been eliminated.  Well, I was surprised, but I had to pretend that I was really upset. So I actually felt that the universe was being kind to me. I feel like I was at the diving board, staring over the edge, wanting to jump, and then finally the universe just pushed me, okay, just go do it.  When that happened, I actually was already primed. I was ready to take the plunge and to just do it. So it was really a very easy transition, because mentally and emotionally, I was there. I could see myself doing this, and I could see myself loving it and just really thriving.

Have you heard of the concept Ikigai, Nicole?

NICOLE

I have, but please explain it to everybody.

KIM MOY

It’s a Japanese concept. The first circle is around seeing what you are good at. Then another circle is what you would get paid for, then another circle is what you’re passionate about. Right. I’m not sure if I’m getting the words quite right, but in the middle is your calling, where you do something that you’re really good at and that you love and that you get paid for. It’s not so much what you get paid for, but what the world needs, is probably a better way to explain it.  I really felt stepping into this new chapter in my life professionally to help fellow caregivers as a coach and as someone who helps others, by sharing what has worked for me, I felt like that was my calling. I felt like that was my Ikigai.

NICOLE

That’s so cool. I love how you shared that because I do think that is what people struggle with often. It’s like, what am I good at? What do I want to do? Where am I excited? Because I think that’s another piece of it. I’ve talked to people where they have so many skill sets, but the idea of entrepreneurship is not something they’re sure about. And I’m like, it’s totally fine. You don’t have to love it, but you have to be invested enough to want to learn the skill sets to be an entrepreneur, and then you’ll be totally fine. I went in totally blind, by the way, Kim. I don’t know if you heard me talk about it that much, but I remember when I started, I had no idea what I was doing, and I really had no idea what I was in for, either.

And then you just keep learning, either that Ikigai, that purpose is calling you and you keep listening to it, or you shut it down, you know? It’s an interesting practice because I think a lot of people come in to me and really underlying what they want. We talk a lot about promotion and career advancement, but underneath it all, I think every human really fundamentally wants to know why they’re here, what they’re here to do. What’s their contribution? Which is another word for thinking about purpose, and your purpose. But then it can be really hard to know how to deal with it, because real life happens.  It’s like you:  You have a corporate job. It’s really secure. It makes money, it pays for all these things. And then you’re like, but it’s not what I’m here to do. And then what really happened is the universe kind of said, okay, Kim, let’s boot you out of that job and put you on the pathway to what you’re really here to do.

KIM MOY

Yes, very much so. And to add to that, I was very fortunate to really be part of your community, your Mastermind at that time. You also kind of let those of us who are in your program know who are interested in entrepreneurship. It is the biggest self-discovery and self-growth path you can be on, being an entrepreneur. And I can see it more clearly now, a year and a half in, it is so true. It is so darn hard in so many different ways. It really tests you in ways that no other job has. No other job has been this difficult. I don’t know. Motherhood is pretty tough, too, but that’s not me. Motherhood and being an entrepreneur, I would say, are the toughest jobs in the world. Being an entrepreneur, it tests your stamina. It tests your mindset and your beliefs in yourself. And I feel like I’m constantly being challenged in a good way, and I feel like I’m here to grow. Right. As a person. And it’s really helping me do that as well.

NICOLE

Well, you know, they say that the universe is always expanding, and there’s a rate at which the universe is always expanding. So I always think about that, too, because every entrepreneur, for those of you listening who are not entrepreneurs, every entrepreneur under the sun has definitely thought about quitting their gig at some point. Sometimes, many times in one day. It’s not just like an isolated experience where you want to give it up. But when that happens to me, I always think, well, what would you do, Nicole? Do you really think that you would be good at working for somebody else at this point in your life? And I’m like, I know that that would be tough for me. On top of it, what my entrepreneurial journey constantly shows me is the opportunity to expand. And I feel like there’s many different avenues for expansion. I consider anything, essentially, can be a personal growth journey.

Wanting to get promoted is a personal growth journey. Dating is a personal growth journey. Entrepreneurship is, as long as you bring in that mindset and that mentality. So what I feel like you’re sharing with us also, Kim, is you brought that energy into that initial time with me, working in your job, and really shifting your mindset and who you are in your evolution, which is what prepared you. That’s when the universe was like, all right, you’re ready, and kind of pushed you to be ready for this job, because this job is really going to take you to that next level.

KIM MOY

Yeah, absolutely. I feel like, you know, the Clear Calling course and all of the lessons were really foundational. And I still look back and think about how I need to set my boundaries better, or I need to do x, y and z better and let me go think about what we learnt in the course. That is a good reminder to help me come back to being really centered and being really true to myself.

NICOLE

So beautifully said. Well, Kim, I’d love for you to share a little bit more also about what you’re doing for caregivers. If you could speak to the work that you’re doing now, because I know for you, it’s really been a calling ever since I met you. And now you get to do it every day.

KIM MOY

Yeah. Thank you. Well, a year and a half ago, I launched my venture, which is called Caregiver Wisdom, and it is really multifaceted. I have been leading this monthly support group for caregivers of chronic illnesses, like my husband’s illness, for the past five years. During those monthly calls, I curate it in such a way that we choose a topic that is very relevant and resonates with caregivers. Whether it’s loneliness, ambiguous loss, it could be about stress, it could be about a whole bunch of different types of topics that are very common, and we then open it up to share and really connect. I usually try to give two or three tips that help people, so it’s very constructive to help people manage their everyday lives.

I’ve gotten such great feedback from people, so that’s what led me to want to do more. Since then, I’ve also launched blog posts. I’ve created an online community, and I’ve also created a group course, a group coaching program, and we’ll actually be launching a new cohort in September. This past January, I decided to embark into one-on-one coaching and got training from a health and wellness coach training program, and that focuses on mindfulness and helping people see their own inner wisdom.  I actually remember, Nicole, when I first started working with you, I was telling you about my vision of how I wanted to do this, something completely different than my corporate job, and I really wanted to help other caregivers. You said I could coach people, too. And I thought, oh, no, no, no, I’m not going to be doing the coaching. I’m just going to curate.

I’m a former journalist, just like you. I’m just going to pick and choose the best experts and then bring them together for my community. And then after going through the coaching program, this was so powerful. And the people I was coaching, everyone said how effective it was for them. I started seeing that I could also coach people, and I didn’t need to be an expert of everything caregiving, or an expert in all things life. Right? All I need to do is be present for them and help them see the inner wisdom they have and see that they have so many strengths and their own inner knowledge to bring to the table. And that was just so powerful.

NICOLE

Well, that’s such a beautiful summation of coaching because I think sometimes people are confused by it. They’re like, how is it different from therapy? What is it that’s happening? And it’s such a different activation of who you are. I feel, like you said, it’s just really allowing people to be in their own natural gifts, and it’s not about expertise, or books, or having so much knowledge. At least on the coach side, it’s really around helping people see how much they already actually do know.  I remember when I met you and you were telling me about all of these things and I was like, oh, yeah, she’s going to have a caregiving business and be an entrepreneur and a coach. And you were like, no, no, I’m not. You know why?

KIM MOY

Because in my mind, I wasn’t good enough. Again, the negative voice, right?

NICOLE

Yeah. I saw that for you, and knew it’s just a matter of time.  Kim will come around,  I just didn’t know when. Sometimes people come to it quickly and some people don’t, or some people have more to work through before they get to that point. But, yeah, when you came to the retreat and it was really clear, I felt like when we were worked on the retreat and then afterwards, you’ve been off to the races and now you’re in this big entrepreneurial journey, which is its own growth path, which is really powerful, but that will make you a better coach. It makes you a better person to support the people who are going through their own transformations, because all these caregivers need so much support.

KIM MOY

Yes. And I really am glad you mentioned the idea of what a coach is versus a therapist because I, to be honest, was not that clear in my own mind what a coach was. I actually believe there is a place for therapy, and I’ve gone to therapy before, and they’re very, very helpful for a lot of emotional and mental challenges and hardships that you go through in life. I think a coach, the way I think of a coach, is someone who’s rooting you on. You may have a goal in mind and they’re just going to help you get there and they’re going to be super supportive of you. I feel like that is something that all caregivers, and quite frankly, every human really needs. And I just wish that more people were exposed to what coaching is and how it can really help transform their lives. I’ve been coaching now for the past several months, and I’ve had some really amazing success stories of clients who have said, Kim, I’ve met with you only two times, and people around me see a difference.

I’ve had someone who actually got a job offer and moved her elderly mom across country, and these were things that were not in her sight of vision when we first started working with each other. She attributed that working with me for helping shift her energy, and that was so personally fulfilling to hear that it can help people in that way.

NICOLE

That’s so beautifully said. And I think back to the Kim, when we first met, if you told her all that, she would have been like, what are you talking about? I’m never going to be able to do any of those things. But it speaks to, very much like your transformation, your commitment to your transformation. You’ve really stuck with the work. And I would say that’s a big part of it. It’s just that commitment to it. Also being open to the coaching. When people are saying, you know what? To me, I always am like, what’s the ideal person to be in coaching? And it really is committed and coachable – those are the two things sometimes people think they need to have more together, and need to have figured things out. I’m like, no, you just need to be committed to it. And I would say commitment is the number one thing, and then really being open to what you’re experiencing and learning, because all you’re doing is actually excavating more about yourself. Like that person you worked with, already knew to do those things. You just helped her see that really clearly, so that she could do it, versus being stuck, being stressed and anxious and thinking she can’t make it work. You just helped her clarify. So, it’s so beautiful, Kim. I love you sharing all of that.

Then for anyone who might be nervous or in that experience of, what is this really like, what would you say to them if they’re wondering whether they want to be coached? Do they want to be in that experience? Would you have any recommendations for them for how to think about it?

KIM MOY

I would say that it is for a time of self- exploration and going deeper into yourself and seeing for yourself a brighter path, if that makes sense, going forward. And I would say that it’s really for everyone and anyone, and I highly recommend that everyone try it. I believe that you put it really well, that if you have a commitment for growth and you have a commitment for bringing your life to becoming even bigger and better, and sometimes you may have a goal in mind –  in my health  and wellness training program, we talked about how some people may have health goals, like losing weight or whatever it may be, or dealing with some other kind of issue, or maybe you have a goal of decluttering your house. And so, yes, a coach can help you with those things and hold you accountable, but it’s also about sometimes really envisioning what your life will look like 5 or 10 years from now, and what are the steps you can take today to get there. So, in that regard, it’s very empowering.

NICOLE

Yeah, I’m with you on that. I mean, I always laugh because, you know me, I have lots of coaches as well, because I feel like it’s important to have somebody help hold you to having a vision, but also living into that every day.  All of us have days where things feel tough. This is hard. I don’t know if I want to do this, and then coming back into no, no, no. What am I committed to? Like, what’s really important to me. So whether you’re an entrepreneur and we’re talking a bit about that journey, but I would say that’s true of anyone. I have so many women in corporate environments who don’t want to leave their corporate job, but they want to feel happy and aligned and they’re on a path where they’re rising up and growing within their corporate job.

All of that is totally possible as well. I love popping in that reminder for people. It’s not about the version that you’re doing. It’s more about how can you be in that experience of full transformation and expansion. I think on a deeper level, how can you be fully expressed?  I think about Kim in corporate and then Kim being a caregiving entrepreneur, and that’s the expressed version of Kim. The previous one was like the one who thought she had to toe the line and do things a certain way. And then now this is the one who’s like, oh, I’m in the world. I’m doing what I’m supposed to be doing right now.

KIM MOY

Yeah. And it’s really interesting because I think there were different times in my corporate career of 30 years where I was more in my truth, or more aligned. I was actually really into my work, and I felt there was a really deep connection. As you know, over 30 years, there are ebbs and flows in terms of what’s more important to you, and you have life experiences that make things different, and things shift within yourself. That’s what I experienced. So I knew I had to leave my corporate job to really live. What I felt, again, was my Ikigai and my real calling.

NICOLE :

So beautifully said, Kim, and thank you so much for sharing your journey with the women listening, who are contemplating moves like what you’re talking about, or feeling a little bit of that tug, because I feel like it’s important for us. What I care about with the podcast is that stories like this exist and people see it, because I think a lot of times it can be very isolating when you’re thinking about this stuff, or you don’t know people who’ve done it, or you’re not sure how to get there  – like there’s proof in the pudding, like Kim has done it. It is totally possible to make that shift.

Thank you so much for sharing that story. And I know she’s a little prepared for this because she listens to the podcast all the time. It is time for our rapid fire questions. Sometimes people come on and they’re like, I have no idea, I’ve never heard these, but I know Kim’s heard them, but we’re going to do it and see how it goes. It’s time for our rapid fire question. So, Kim, what is the last thing that you watched on tv?

KIM MOY

I have to say that my family, I have two teenage boys and a husband, and in our nuclear family, we love Anime. So almost every night we watch Anime. If the kids get their homework done, we watch Anime. To be honest, I don’t remember the very last one, because we go through so many different ones. But I will say one of my favorite ones that we are watching is Demon Slayer.

NICOLE

Well, I don’t know anything about Anime, but my husband might actually know something about that. So thank you for sharing. For any Anime fans out there, watch Demon Slayer. Okay. Awesome. Okay, question 2, what’s on your nightstand?

KIM MOY

On my nightstand I have a salt lamp. I have my CPAP machine because I unfortunately have sleep apnea. And I have, what else? An alarm clock. And I actually have my journal where I write my ‘good jobs’.

NICOLE

Awesome. I love that. It’s right there. Okay, Kim, what was the last time you tried something new? What was it?

KIM MOY

Oh, my gosh. This one I’m not prepared for. I didn’t think about this one ahead of time. The last time I did something new. Oh, my goodness. I am totally thrown for a loop. Even though I listen to your podcasts, and I’ve listened to almost every episode.

NICOLE

I love that. Thank you. I’m so glad you listened to all of them.

KIM MOY

Almost all of them. I’m just a little behind. Let’s see. Okay, well, I’ll just pick something. So we moved to Seattle about three years ago now, and I inherited a huge garden that the previous owner had planted, and I’m very, very grateful. I really love being in nature. Part of the reason we moved to Seattle is for that, and to be closer to my Zen teachers here. One of the things I think that is new for me is figuring out what are weeds and not weeds. Because to me, some of these weeds are actually pretty because they have flowers, so I was in my garden just last weekend and trying to distinguish what is a weed and what is not a weed. That sounds kind of weird, but I was like, oh, that is a beautiful flower, but it’s actually a weed. I need to rip that one.

NICOLE

Well, as my husband always says, it’s only a weed because you say so. Although there are some invasive weeds, as I argue with him about it. I’m like, I want you to cut that down. And he’s like, but it’s pretty. I’m like, it’s a weed. So I know exactly what you’re talking about. We have a little back and forth about those things, too.  Okay, last one. What are your top three most used emojis?

KIM MOY

Ah, the smiley face, the heart, and the thank you – or prayer.

NICOLE

Okay, beautiful. Well, Kim, such a joy to have you on the podcast today. So what is the best way for people to reach you, or if they’re a caregiver, to find out more about what you do?

KIM MOY

Yeah, thanks. I have a website, and it is caregiverwisdom.net. I can also be reached on LinkedIn, Kim Moy.

NICOLE

Yes, we’re waiting for the day where it’s easy on LinkedIn for us to just have a link there, but we’ll link it below in the show notes and also her website. Kim, you know, I’m just grateful to you. I actually really have loved seeing your expansion and your growth. And it’s so fun to reflect on your journey, because you really have grown so much in the time that we’ve worked together and continue to grow. It’s really so fun to support you in your entrepreneurial journey as well.

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