Sometimes, do you ever feel like the multiple things you are juggling are insurmountable?
Like, between demands at work from your boss, injuries and other health issues, not to mention maintaining your personal relationships, it doesn’t feel possible to find balance.
But when you start to recognize and release the blocks that stop you from owning your own power, that’s when transformation really begins.
In this episode Nicole speaks with Respiratory Therapist, Carla Drumbeater, as she shares her transformative journey into self-acceptance, self-worth and remarkable personal growth. She candidly shares her experience as a marathon runner and a diabetes survivor, utilizing yoga practice for stress management and overall well-being.
An alumni of Your Clear Calling, Carla acknowledges the power in support, the inspiration she received and empowerment she experienced in letting go of fear to find balance and self-worth.
Listen today to hear Carla’s story of resilience, self-discovery, and transformation.
I got to meet so many amazing women from all over the country with different backgrounds, and I really thought that before the retreat that I couldn’t really fit in with other women, and I was an imposter wherever I was. But these women were all from different backgrounds, and I found connection, and that gave me less fear to do the things that I wanted to do well.
I would tell [anybody who’s wanting to feel more open] to get in touch with their body sensations too. And how it feels when you are doing the right thing. Or how it feels when you get something you want, or how it feels when you accomplish something and how light it feels. A little bit of body tingles. You open up and just see if what you want to do feels good in your body. And then pretty soon, other people will feel it too.
Before coaching too, I was so closed, and so many old things that have happened in my past that were blocking me from what I want are now gone. I’m able to put those things aside, and I don’t have to be that 14 year old Indigenous youth whose mother died… I know my mother, I just can remember the good things about her.
It has really been a blessing to be part of those groups and be those other women every week or every other week or every month or on the Voxer group and hearing their progress and hearing what was that good job Friday? When everybody would say a good thing they did for themselves on Friday, and, oh, I love to hear what everybody else was doing, and it inspired me to do more for myself also. I would hear some of the things other women were doing, and I thought, wow, I could do that too. And I also noticed as I went on with the program I used to start, and I was always in my work clothes at work, and then I started learning to dedicate more time to myself.
It seems like every time I did the work with you, I jumped over another hurdle or another obstacle and another challenge.
NICOLE
Welcome to The School of Self-Worth, a podcast for ambitious women who know they are worthy of an astoundingly great life. Join us weekly as we get on the right side of your intuition, redefine success, and reclaim your self-worth.
I’m your host, Nicole Tsong, an award-winning journalist who left it all behind to become a bestselling author of three books and work/life balance expert, helping ambitious women unlock their intuition and step into a life of fulfilment and radical joy. Every single week, I will bring you diverse and meaningful conversations with successful women from all walks of life who share insight about what it takes to be brave, joyful, and authentic every day. Every episode is thoughtfully designed to leave you feeling empowered with tangible tips and advice that will lead you to your next breakthrough.
Welcome back to the school of self-worth. I am so excited to spend some time this month closing out the year with my Your Clear Calling Success series, where I sit down with a few of my incredible, inspiring past students who share how their lives have been completely transformed by my Clear Calling. If you’re not already familiar with my signature program, it breaks down the exact steps required to shatter several blocks so you can understand and really leverage the language of intuition and step into your purposeful life. It helps you completely shift your relationship with yourself and those whom you love the most. In just 16 weeks, you won’t recognize yourself from the first day of the program to the very last day. It is a wild ride, and it is a complete metamorphosis.
Today I am talking with my client, Carla Drumbeater, who used YCC and coaching work for major transformation. She not only ran the New York City Marathon last year, with non-profit Native Strength Revolution and was featured on Good Morning America and Runners World, she was an insulin-dependent diabetic who got completely off insulin!
Since then, this respiratory therapist has landed speaking and writing gigs. She’s been certified in Thai bodywork. She traveled for the first time to Hawaii and is sharing her gifts with her community. And the best part is, she knows how to use the language of intuition to guide her life. If you are seeing yourself in Carla’s story and thinking, “This is precisely the kind of transformation I want for myself too”, for the New Year, I’m offering an extra bonus month for anyone who joins before the end of 2023. If that’s you, DM me New Year at Nicole Tsong on Instagram and we’ll chat.
Okay, everyone, let’s dig into this beautiful conversation. Well, Carla, hi! Welcome to the School of Self-Worth.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
NICOLE
I’m so excited to have you here. So Carla is one of my clients, and I really love the opportunity to bring a client onto the podcast because I know their story. I really wanted to give all of you who are listening the opportunity to hear some of the really incredible breakthroughs they’ve had and the big elements of their life that have transpired since working together, and then really their evolution and journey, because one of my intentions with this podcast is to give people a deeper understanding of how somebody may look successful on the surface, but really that comes with a lot of deep inner work. Carla is such a great example, and she has a really powerful story. So I’m curious, Carla, giving you that container of the story of your own self-worth journey, if you could start where that really began for you.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
OK, I my story of self-worth began with yoga about 12 or 13 years ago. I was a single mom, raising three kids. I had five jobs, I worked 54 hours a week, and I was just stressed, overwhelmed, getting sick. I had insulin, diabetes, I was 60 pounds heavier than I am now, and also this stress on my body, I had uterine prolapse and they said it was the weight of my body pushing on my insides and they gave me ten years. So I was going to need a hysterectomy and I needed something to start making myself feel better. At the same time, I was in a relationship with my son’s father, and I found out when my son was sick and graduated from kindergarten, that he had had another whole family across town and lived with another woman, north of town, and that was pretty devastating to me.
I started going to a local hot yoga studio and I would just lay on my mat and cry. I probably would lay there for about a half an hour and cry, or just not do yoga. And the teachers were so accepting, and they let me cry and they encouraged me to keep coming back and made me feel welcome. So that’s how my yoga journey started. I did that on and off for ten years, and slowly started losing some weight and started feeling more flexible and better in my body.
Then the pandemic hit, and it was very stressful for me, and I didn’t know how to cope with it. I found myself really scared. Staying up late on Facebook, I saw an ad for Native Strength Revolution, and they were offering to teach me yoga with a scholarship so that I could afford it, and I promised to teach indigenous people yoga after taking the scholarship. I signed up for that in the end of 2020.
I started my yoga teacher training in January of 2021 and graduated in March of 2021. After that I committed to a five minute a day yoga practice for 365 days. One of my classmates was doing that too, and one of my teachers said even 1 minute of yoga a day is beneficial. So I thought I could do five minutes. I picked a song to dedicate to my five minute yoga practice and did that for 365 days. But then I found out in April when I meditated, I started to see colors, I started to see indigo. And I asked a good friend, who is an acupuncturist, I told her I thought I was having a stroke, with all the panic with working with the pandemic, and she said, I think your chakras are opening. Chakras? I had no real knowledge on what a chakra was. I remember on the first day of my yoga teacher training, I scribbled it on a piece of paper because I didn’t know what that word meant or what it was, and I wanted to learn it.
So when my friend told me she thought my chakras are opening, I thought, okay, my daughter used to have me go to a metaphysical store in the neighborhood, and they had crystals back then. I didn’t believe in the crystals or the metaphysical stuff, but I needed help, so I went to the store and I told the lady, “I’m a new yoga teacher, and I started seeing indigo when I meditate, and my friend told me that my chakras are opening. So do you have anything in the store that could help me out? Any books, anything?” And then she led me to the crystals, and I bought my first crystal and started meditating with the crystals. I started with the palm stones, working through the pandemic, because sometimes I wouldn’t get a break.
NICOLE
Well, can you share with everyone too, what work you do?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I’m a respiratory therapist, and I worked in a Covid ICU during the pandemic, and I witnessed a lot of people get sick and die. I also witnessed a lot of people recover, but it was very hard to see the people get sick and die. All my coworkers, too, we were all dedicated to take care of the patients in the hospital, whether we got breaks or not. And to keep myself grounded, I used my crystals every day. So I would set an intention with my crystal, like, I would say it to myself, and I wrote it on the bottom of my worksheet when I worked, to remind myself to do this too, so I don’t get overwhelmed. When I got overwhelmed, I wasn’t seeing the colors when I meditated, but when I saw the colors, I’m a better mom, I’m a better coworker, I’m a better auntie, I’m a better friend, I’m a better partner.
I noticed that I would say my intention, like I feel the magic of the universe, and then I’ll go on about my day. So then if I started feeling a little overwhelmed at work again, I would just feel for my stone in my pocket and say my intention, then keep going about my work.
NICOLE
Beautiful. Oh, there’s Rocky. I love how she’s got her dog there, for those of you listening!
Carla, just going to the beginning of your story, and I know pieces of it before, but just all that you were going through and experiencing, even when you started to practice yoga, including everything you were going through with your son’s father and your life, and all the physical ailments that you were going through, that you slowly started to work through. But then, bam. Life hits you with the pandemic, which it did for all of us, but particularly you, because you were a medical worker on the front lines.
Take us through that then. You went through yoga teacher training. You were starting to work with your crystals, and so where did that get you? Because it sounded like it started to help you, but then there were still things that you were feeling challenged with. So could you get into that a little bit as well?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Well, I was also feeling challenged with balancing my relationships with everything that was coming to me through the pandemic. Actually the pandemic hit when it was my son’s 15th birthday, and I didn’t even get him a birthday cake. I totally missed out on that. He didn’t get a birthday cake till August. Also, I feel I was neglecting my partner, and you actually helped with that because after my yoga teacher training, I started Lightyear leadership coach training. And I met you in Gems, on the coach training, and I reluctantly raised my hand, and you picked me.
I remember being so uncomfortable, being pressed into possibility, because I really have not had a lot of people press me into possibility before. And through your work, I was able to see that I was neglecting the relationship with my Tom. That’s what I call him, my Tom, because he needed more time from me, and I love him, and I wanted to give that to him. And then, oh, my gosh, after that integration which you did too, I started seeing red from the root chakra when I meditated. So my chakras opened more, and then my relationship improved and grew. Then I was thinking, “Wow, all this stuff I’m doing, the yoga, the crystals, the coaching with Nicole, the Lightyear leadership training, everything is just making me healthier in my mind and in my body and decreasing my stress”. My diabetes had gotten better, and then I started to do more things for me.
The next year, in spring of 2022, I decided to go on and join more coaching with you. You had a free, I think, five day Brave workshop, and I attended that. I was looking and searching for more because from what I experienced so far, it had kept improving my life, and I felt like I was on the right path. So I joined the Brave workshop and I talked to you. And I remember telling you that I needed your help. I joined more coaching with you, the Mastermind.
NICOLE
Well, do you remember what happened with the retreat?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Yeah.
NICOLE
We were talking about having you come on my retreat that year. And do you remember what happened with that? You were telling me about this.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Yeah, old junk came up. So when you invited me to the retreat, I just deleted the email, and I thought, I can’t. I won’t. I don’t have the money. I am greedy. Who am I to think I could do this and take that time for myself? Then I think I was doing a Mastermind too, and started taking care of myself and acknowledging myself. I emailed or I called you, and I said, “Can you send me that link again? Because I really need to do this”.
Then I let go of the worry, the worry about the money, and it was the first time I ever traveled by myself for myself, ever. And it was an amazing experience. I did have some fear of how I was going to get from the airport to the place, but you guys had a lot of plans for us and how to get to the right location. That worked well. And then I got to meet so many amazing women from all over the country with different backgrounds. Before the retreat, I really thought that I couldn’t really fit in with other women, and I was an imposter wherever I was, but these women were all from different backgrounds, and we learned Gems 1 and 2, and we learned about each other, and I found connection, and that gave me less fear to do the things that I wanted to do well.
NICOLE
Carla, you’re saying so many important things, and I just want to note a couple of them. First, going back to when you said you felt like you were on the right track and wanted to do more. Then you started to join some of my free workshops. And what was it in you that you knew you still wanted to reach out? Like, if you were on track, why did you reach out for additional support?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I felt like there was more to uncover because it seems like every time I did the work with you, I jumped over another hurdle or another obstacle and another challenge. The feeling of getting over those obstacles and challenges that I didn’t think I could ever do. I ran the New York City Marathon, and at the same I had the opportunity to do that through Native Strength Revolution. I decided to train for the marathon in Spring. At the same time, I decided to start coaching with you. I went back and forth with self-doubt, and my self-doubt was saying, “What are you thinking? You’re 50 years old. You’ve never run a marathon before”. And then my coach, the founder, Kate, of Native Strength Revolution, she says, “Come on, Carla, you’re only three years older than me. You can do it”.
One thing about the marathon training I learned, is to listen to people who are for you, because I did get a lot of people who were telling me not to do it. On one of my first trainings, I was running around a lake in Minneapolis, and a girl from work ran across me, and she was trying to talk me out of it. She says, “Carla, you don’t need to do this. Why are you doing this? You should do more yoga. I’d really like to see you as a yoga teacher”. And I said, “Well, I still am a yoga teacher, but I’m raising money through Native Strength Revolution who taught me to be a yoga teacher. And then raising money for them gives me the opportunity to continue teaching indigenous people yoga and make more indigenous yoga teachers”.
It’s really something I feel is important to me. Also, I learned to start asking for help. You were the first person I asked for help in that spring, too, and I said, “I need your help”. Then I started telling people my goals. I told co-workers I’m going to run the New York City Marathon. There were people who were supportive, and some people said they had a nurse who ran marathons before, and she had knees that were hurting. The nurse said to use YouTube Rock Tape. Rock tape your knees, so I started doing that, and that helped. Another nurse advised going to a running store and get myself professionally fit for running shoes. I did that. And then I actually bought socks specifically for running, and sunglasses specifically for running.
I was an insulin-dependent diabetic before the marathon, too, for 15 years. And I never thought I could get off insulin. And I started having my blood sugar drop. My blood sugar drop!
I had a nutritionist ten years ago, Rasa Troup. She got a job with the Vikings and the Minnesota Twins, so she told me she couldn’t be my nutritionist anymore – ten years ago. But I learned one thing with Lightyear. It’s called a large request. I looked her up, and I knew she was an Olympic runner, and she ran the Olympics in 2006, one year postpartum. So I thought she must really know what she’s doing. I emailed her. I said, “Rasta, I met you, like, ten years ago, and I am training for the New York City Marathon, and I’m struggling with energy and my diabetes, and can you help me?” I told her I’d pay her whatever she wanted me to pay her, and she said “yes”. Since I was a diabetic, we figured out how to get my insurance to pay for her so I didn’t have to pay for her, and she supported me with nutrition through the whole thing. I was able to get off insulin, and I am still off insulin. I think it’s amazing. It’s been about a year now that I’ve been off insulin. I didn’t even know how cluttered and boggy my mind was with the insulin.
I have less restrictions, too, because when I was on insulin, if I was really active, I might get a blood sugar drop, and that would end my activity because I’d have to eat some sugar, drink some pop, recover from an insulin low. I am less restricted now.
NICOLE
Yeah, well, that’s so remarkable that all those things happened in one year, because it was 2022 that you came to the retreat, and then it was also the year that you ran the New York City Marathon. And then there were all kinds of cool things that happened at the marathon, and I’m wondering if you could tell everybody about that as well.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Yes. To get into the marathon, you have to qualify, or you have to get a lottery spot, or you can be a charity partner. I was part of a charity, Native Strength Revolution, and then we were raising money to bring yoga to indigenous communities and make more indigenous yoga teachers, and provide classes to indigenous communities. So that’s how I got to run the New York City Marathon, but as a charity, they wanted to hear my story. I wrote a story about how grateful I was for the opportunity to run the New York City Marathon, and how I thought it would be life changing, and they loved my story. I told them how I used yoga to keep my mind and body strong through the pandemic, working as a respiratory therapist in a Covid ICU, and how grateful I was for Native Strength Revolution, for teaching me to be a yoga teacher to help keep my mind and body strong.
They loved my story to the extent that they made me a part of their Team Inspire. They pick 50 people out of 50,000 to be a part of their team Inspire, and I was one of them. That was amazing. And then after that story came out, Runners World interviewed me and published an article about me. Forbes magazine published an article about me, and Army Navy Times also published an article about me, because they were proud that I was a veteran and what I was doing. And then I got a really big surprise: The day before the marathon, I was actually feeling kind of lonely wandering around New York by myself, and I thought, what do I need to do to calm my mind? I found a yoga class, hot yoga class in the morning, and then I still wanted to boost myself up a little, so I bought some eucalyptus at a beautiful floral market. And then I’m walking back to my hotel, and I get a call from Good Morning America, and they said, “We would like to interview you for the marathon. Do you have time today?” And I was like,”I have nothing else to do yet. I have time today”. And they said, “How soon could you be ready?” I said about an hour, because I thought they wanted to interview me via zoom in my hotel room. I thought I needed an hour to get my hair combed and take a shower. I need to straighten up my room. As I was doing that, about a half hour later, they called me and said, “Can you come to Central Park for the interview?” And I said, “Yes!” I asked if my teacher and Kate could come with, too, because I needed support – again, asking for help, that’s a new thing. It’s a good thing for me.
They said she can come, so I tried to call Kate because they wanted me to wear what I was going to wear during the marathon. The Native Strength Revolution jersey. So I called Kate, and said, “Kate, where are you? Good Morning America called. They want to interview me, and they said you could come, and they want me to wear the jersey I’m going to wear while I’m running the marathon”. Luckily, she was close by, and she rode with me to Central Park because they sent a car for us. We got chauffeured to Central Park for my interview, and, oh my gosh, I was really excited. I remember her on the way there. She says, “Carla, so how did this come about?” I said, “Remember at the beginning when we signed up for the marathon, they said they wanted us to tell them our story of why we’re running the marathon?” I told her I did. I think next time, everybody needs to tell their story, because everybody has a wonderful story.
NICOLE
And look at what happened, right? Your story got you on Good Morning America, and then you were interviewed by all these other magazines as well, all related to this choice to do the ‘Yes’. I’m assuming you finished the marathon?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I did finish the marathon. It was an amazing, incredible, healing experience, because before the marathon, too, we’re still masking everywhere, and just to be in the open, running with 50,000 people through New York was very freeing and so many emotions doing that. I think I cried, I laughed, I sang, I hollered.
NICOLE
I know we were working together by this point, and the cohort that we were working with were all cheering you on. We were just so excited for you, Carla. It was just really, truly incredible. I feel like so many things have unfolded for you since that point last year. Now, in terms of your journey, could you share about some of the things that have transpired since we’ve been working together around what you’re really wanting next for yourself?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I have started a business with Reiki and Crystal Healing and Yoga, and through Lightyear leadership, too, I got connected with my Reiki teacher, Jenna Zabrowski, and now I’m a certified level two Reiki practitioner, and I work with my Crystals and do Crystal Healing on people also. I started teaching yoga to indigenous youth through Native Strength Revolution, and that is really healing, being that I was a child from the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe, and my family has struggled with substance abuse. I lost my mother when I was a young girl, 14, and I didn’t feel like I really had a female example to follow. Now, through Native Strength Revolution and being a yoga teacher, I am teaching indigenous youth yoga in the same section eight housing projects in South Minneapolis, where I actually lived when I was a single mother, going to school for respiratory therapy. So it’s really healing for me to help those little kids. I have them doing a sun salutation now, and I’m so proud of them. Oh, I’m proud of me, too.
NICOLE
I love that. Well, I love that you’re doing so much. There’s just been such a journey for you, Carla, right from the beginning, even when you started doing yoga, and then to be all the way at this point now. Then what would you say is one of the key points for you that’s keeping you on track? What’s really helping you stay the course in your life right now? You’re really living, you know, remembering how you were resistant to possibility when we first met, and now you’re really living into this life of possibility. And I’m curious for anybody who’s listening, who’s feeling that call, but they’re feeling a little bit like, ”I don’t know how to do it”. What would you say to somebody who’s starting to feel they want a life that feels that way, that feels much more open, that they feel really worthy of having possibility? What would you offer for them?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I would tell them to get in touch with their body sensations too, and how it feels when you are doing the right thing, or how it feels when you get something you want, or how it feels when you accomplish something and how light it feels. A little bit of body tingle. You open up and just see if what you want to do feels good in your body. And then pretty soon, other people will feel it too. The people around me that have seen me change, helped by Reiki or Crystal healing, are like, “Wow, you’re really good at that”. I use my body sensations to get there.
NICOLE
So good. Thank you for sharing that, Carla. And then how would you say coaching has supported you in general on this journey?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Coaching has really made me aware of my body sensations. Before coaching too, I was so closed, and so many old things that have happened in my past that were blocking me from what I want, are now gone. I’m able to put those things aside, and I don’t have to be that 14-year old indigenous youth whose mother died and just hold that sadness out with me. I know my mother, I can remember the good things about her. My mother loved me, and I can see my mother in other indigenous women and help them, give them the support they need and see me in them. I used to not be able to see myself in other women, indigenous or not. And now I see. Yeah.
NICOLE
And could you speak a little specifically too, around how the Mastermind has supported you? And then you were also part of Your Clear Calling, and what it’s been like, now that you are saying you can be connected to other women, being in those cohorts, is definitely an experience of being around other women. And what do you get from being in those spaces where you’re getting coached and you’re working with other women on these things for your own life?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
It has really been a blessing to be part of those groups and be with those other women every week, or every other week, or every month, or on the Voxer group and hearing their progress and hearing, what was that.. Good Job Friday? When everybody would say a good thing they did for themselves on Friday, and I love to hear what everybody else was doing, and it inspired me to do more for myself also. I would hear some of the things other women were doing, and I thought I could do that too.
I remember one time, I think it was a boxer group, and I was kind of procrastinating at home and not very motivated, and then one of your things was to go wash 5 dishes, and then that’s good for the day. I got up and then actually did them all. And that was good for the day! Just a little inspiration every week. Every other week was great. And I also noticed as I went on with the program, that I was always in my work clothes at work, and then I started learning to dedicate more time to myself. So when the program was going on, I would get the day off so that I could be home, instead of having to go run off. I learned to dedicate the time for myself, and it was much better that way.
NICOLE
Well, I love how your journey started with you even recognizing to come on the retreat and say, “Oh, I can prioritize myself and actually take a trip for myself”, has turned into you understanding how to do that consistently in your life as well. You can actually prioritize yourself and that it’s actually better for everybody, your relationship, your family, the people around you, because Carla is really prioritizing her own needs, is what I was hearing.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Yes, exactly. I actually went outside. I went to part-time work as a respiratory therapist. I was full time, and now I work 23 hours a week. And I was worried again about, “I can’t, I don’t have the money”. And since I prioritized me, I still am making about the same amount of money as I did before, and it’s just better for me.
NICOLE
It’s funny how it works like that, isn’t it? Well, Carla, I’m so grateful to you for sharing your story. It’s been such a joy for us to work together and to see your expansion and growth, and I love how you really model for everyone. It’s like, when you’re on the right track, keep doing the things that are going to help you stay on track and keep expanding in that direction.
So it is time now for our rapid fire questions. Are you ready?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Yes. Awesome.
NICOLE
All right, what was the last thing you watched on TV?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I was watching an ayurveda podcast.
NICOLE
Ayurveda podcast, okay, cool. Amazing. And then what is on your nightstand?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
A blue calcite crystal to help with me and Tom’s communication.
NICOLE
Beautiful. I love that. Okay, and when was the last time you tried something new, and what was it?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
I tried goat at a Somali restaurant. Nice. It was good, tasty.
NICOLE
Yeah, good job. Good job trying goat. I always like trying new foods. Okay, and then what are your top three most used emojis on your phone?
CARLA DRUMBEATER
The heart, the smiley face, and then that smiley face with the water coming out of the eyes.
NICOLE
Oh, yeah. The laughing emojis. Yeah, that’s one of my favorites, too.
Well, Carla, it’s such a joy to have you here on the podcast, and we’re going to share ways to get in touch with you, too, if people are interested in you and your services.
And then I just want to acknowledge you for just being so persistent in your growth. You really have been committed to it since we met a year ago. And I am really grateful to you because I always think of that kind of commitment as compound interest in yourself, that when you commit to yourself and you invest in yourself, it compounds into all of these really amazing things in your life. So thank you for modelling that for so many people.
CARLA DRUMBEATER
Thank you.
NICOLE
Thank you so much for tuning into today’s episode. Before you go, don’t forget, if you are a high-achieving woman who wants to uncover your biggest blind spots preventing fast, intuitive decisions, I’ve got a 72 -second assessment for you. So make sure to DM me quiz on at nicoletsong at Instagram. And thank you for being here and for listening. We read every note that we get from you about how the podcast is making a difference in your life. Please know how much we appreciate each and every one of you. Until next time, I’m Nicole Tsong, and this is the School of Self-Worth.
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