Do you feel like you are flatlining at work? Do you ever find yourself spinning out or second-guessing yourself in a way that blocks your growth at work?
If so, you ABSOLUTELY need to listen to this episode filled with insight for any high-achiever who is getting in her own way.
In part 2 of Nicole’s conversation with Kristi Coulter, Kristi gets candid about the highs and lows of her big career shift from corporate America to professional author. When looking back at her decade-plus at Amazon, Kristi drops valuable insight and advice for anyone who may be underselling themselves and dealing with impostor syndrome.
Kristi Coulter is the author of EXIT INTERVIEW: THE LIFE & DEATH OF MY AMBITIOUS CAREER and the memoir-in-essays NOTHING GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS, a finalist for the Washington State Book Award. Her work has also appeared in New York Magazine, The Paris Review, Glamour, Elle, and elsewhere. She lives in Seattle and Los Angeles and teaches writing at Hugo House.
“I also have a really healthy separation at this point between the real me and the me in the book. I mean, of course, this is my true story and my real-life experience, but that person is a character. She’s a distillation of who I am.”
“I find that when I tell students you need to think of yourself as a character, the writing gets much better, and also they get more able to do the writing because they’re not thinking, ‘I am exposing my raw inner self to the world. Instead, it’s, ‘I am choosing a framework to reveal truths.’”
“Then I thought, no, this is a book about trauma, about long-term trauma, which Amazon did traumatize me, but that also didn’t feel quite right. Finally, it hit me. I thought, this is a coming-of-age story…I started to see myself differently as someone who grew at this place. It also made me look a little more kindly on Amazon as a place where this kind of growth, for good reasons and bad was possible, that I could stay at this vast company and have all these different experiences and get paid for it.”
“I think the thing that Amazon really taught me was how to be comfortable with ambiguity. It’s actually one of the company’s explicit core values. Time after time, I was thrown into situations where I didn’t quite know what I was doing, and I had to just kind of figure it out as I went along. And I started to realize that my ability to do that was a superpower. Because when you know that you can kind of figure stuff out, you’ll start to seek out opportunities where you don’t know everything in advance. Because I do talk to women about this sometimes, and I say, get comfortable with the idea that you can be uncomfortable.”
“Be willing to have some discomfort. Start to think of your career less as a straight line, unless you’re going for a certain goal. It’s a hard story to tell on a resume, but it’s a narrative. It all lines up, and I think that if you could boil down what you love to do and what you’re great at and start looking outside of just job titles, the world starts to open up to you.”
“The other thing is to realize you are better than you think. There’s data showing that women won’t apply for a job unless they meet all the listed criteria, and men will apply if they meet half. If everybody could do 70%, I would be happy. You do not need to have everything, all those bullet points. I participated in almost 900 interviews at Amazon, so trust me, I have credibility on this. I hired amazing people all the time who did not fit every bullet point. I don’t want to be one of those people saying, oh, it’s just because women don’t take initiative or women don’t negotiate because we have lots of data to show that women are punished sometimes when they do that. But I do think that women have been enculturated to go for the job that’s just right at the level where they are now or where they think they’ve got part of it nailed, but they’ve got all of it nailed.”
“The other thing is, when I was at Amazon, I moved to these subject areas where I didn’t know anything. I didn’t know the vocabulary of publishing, I didn’t know about how to sell food. But if you have a core skill set, like, I was a writer, I had been a product manager. I could manage people, I could think critically. The rest of it’s just subject matter.”
“I hear women talk a lot about like, how do I get over my impostor syndrome? I think everybody has impostor syndrome, including a lot of men. I’m not sure that it’s a matter of getting over it. I think you just have to figure out how to move forward. If you’re getting into bigger and bigger roles or if you’re going into new spaces in your job or your life, you’re going to be set up for imposter syndrome over and over again. You’re always going to be in spaces where you don’t know everything. So to me, it’s better to just have this learning mindset and be like, yes, here I am again, like, the one who knows the least, rather than think I’m an imposter.”
“What’s bad for women is often bad for introverts. Amazon has this very aggressive culture of thinking on your feet and being loud and argumentative, and it’s not just women who are trained or sometimes temperamentally not inclined to like, there’s also men…I remember thinking a lot of men are not served by this either.”
NICOLE
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Hello, friends. Welcome back to the School of Self-Worth wow. Last week’s conversation with author Kristi Coulter sparked so much conversation and resonated with so many of you. I am so delighted to welcome Kristi back for part 2 of our conversation, where she breaks down what it’s really like to live a life using her greatest talent: writing. In this episode, Christy talks about the key reminders that keep her self-worth strong, while launching a major personal project that was four years in the making. This is a must-listen episode for any high achievers out there, considering their next evolution. If you are a high-achieving career woman who wants to get on the right side of your intuition and purpose in 30 days, DM me 30 on Instagram at Nicole Tsong. I’ve got something for you.
Okay, let’s do this. Let’s get going on this conversation with Kristi. Well, I’d love to pivot now to where you are as a writer because it also takes quite a bit of self-worth to be a writer and put a book out into the world. I’m curious about your journey since you left Amazon because there was that place where it was filling that role in a big way for a while, and then how do you navigate it for yourself now? What did it teach you now that you’re on your own and being a writer, putting books into the world, with very vulnerable stories, sharing very personal experiences? All these co-workers that you worked with and the experiences you had with them, what has that journey been like for you now?
KRISTI COULTER
It’s been fascinating. When I first started writing and I got a graduate degree in Creative Writing in my early twenties, I had always planned to be a fiction writer and so now I’ve published two memoirs and that self-revelation is, in some ways, not that hard for me because my best memoirs have always been writer first, and person who wants to help people or teach lessons or something, second, or maybe even 3rd, 4th, 5th. I’m a real writer’s writer, like a literary writer. So I don’t mind making myself look bad. I know that for me, the best memoirs are never the ones where the person is just some incredible hero or mysteriously always victimized by these terrible people around them. The best memoirs are about you, are also complicit in your own life, your own experiences. And I really enjoy that. I enjoy writing to figure out, well, what was happening then, both with the people around me and with me. Why was I thinking that? Why did I think I was unemployable, that kind of thing? So that’s fun. I also love the wide network of publishing, because I publish fairly successfully, so I just sort of know people everywhere. I hear from readers, I’m friends with other writers. I feel like I could go to any country and probably know somebody where I could be like, ’Hey, we kind of know each other. Do you want to have coffee?’ That makes my world feel so much bigger, and I love that. I love making it safe for other women to tell their stories. With my first book, which is about drinking and sobriety, I heard from so many women who were kind of like me, like middle-class, professional women drinking way too much wine, who thought, ‘Am I an alcoholic?’ I’m not in the gutter. I’m not fitting that stereotype of what an alcoholic is, who were like, ‘you helped me to realize that I am.’ It also doesn’t matter if I call myself that or not, my life was not working for me.
You start to create community and help other people come forward. What I miss is the structure of having a corporate job. The problem with writing is it’s just you sitting at a laptop all day, every day, and that’s awful. I mean, you just start to feel like you’re losing your mind at some point. COVID really brought home to me how I’m an introvert. But introversion means you need something to react to. People kept saying, oh, I bet you love this because you’re a writer. And I was like, no, I hate it. I want to be out there. I need to react to the world and see things and see friends. And even when you’re writing memoir, you need stimulus in your present to bring back the past. So I kind of miss that structure. I miss knowing what my role was. I miss knowing how to go to this meeting and do this thing. I’m still looking for ways to find that in my life. I teach now, and so that helps. But with teaching, you have to be in charge. Even when I was a boss at Amazon, it’s a team, and I’m still trying to deal with that.
Also, when you write a book, I mean, this book took four years to write, it’s a very long time to go without validation from anyone but yourself and the three people in my writing group. And you’re also taking a huge risk. Is this book any good? Are people going to like it, are they going to buy it? When you are working in a corporate job, even if your timelines are long, you’re still getting that feedback loop. Is this going well? Do we need to change course? How does my boss seem? How do my co-workers seem? And that is tough, and I think I’m still in the process of figuring out how to live like that and be okay, honestly, and not fall into existential crises, which I do on a semi-regular basis still.
NICOLE
Yeah. Well, that’s what I love about your book, too. And I loved that you’re more interested in the literary side of it, of really making a compelling story. Which actually, for me, reading your book, it makes sense, the way you write and what you’re sharing about. It is very powerful. Thank you for that. As a writer, I appreciate that a lot.
I’m curious, there’s that role of being totally fine with sharing your life that way, and then there’s the worthiness of will people like this book, is anyone going to read it? Is anyone going to buy it? And what do you do when you get into those kinds of entanglements in your head?
KRISTI COULTER
Well, I freak out, first of all. Then I have enough professional writer friends at this point to know that everybody feels that way. I mean, I know people who are vastly successful, like household names, who still feel this way about new books. So it’s unfortunate, but apparently it never really stops. And I try to find other things in my life that I can then focus on. I’m really into fitness. I love to run. I love to lift weights. I like to cook. I try to have other sources of self-esteem, and I try to remember that I care so much because it’s important to me. It would be kind of sad if I didn’t care if I didn’t feel vulnerable if I didn’t feel like I was making something that I really want people to like.
Writing is really hard, as you know, and so it’s like, why do it unless it really matters? I also have a really healthy separation at this point between the real me and the me in the book. I mean, of course, this is my true story and my real-life experience, but that person is a character. She’s a distillation of who I am. I heard Cheryl Strayed on a podcast before I’d published anything, saying, if you publish a novel, people will love or hate your main character. If you publish a memoir, they will love or hate you, the person they think is you. This is absolutely true. So with my viral essay and my first book, I noticed that the bad reader reviews were never like, ‘Well, I didn’t think this was written well, or the structure failed me’. It was usually, ‘Well, I don’t like her. I don’t like the choices she made in life. I think she’s lived wrong, she married wrong, she drank wrong’. And so at first, you’re kind of like, Whoa! But then you’re like, ‘Well, I don’t know what to tell you. This is what I did’.
The fact that I’m a literary writer really helps me because I’m not trying to be a model for anybody. If I am a model for someone, great, but it’s accidental. I’m not saying live like I live, and everything will be terrific. I could tell you at this point, the things people will complain about, the me in this book, they won’t like me for reasons X, Y, and Z, and okay, I’m fine with it. So at least on that front, I feel healthy. If I were a self-help writer, I think I would be much more nervous about the fact that people might not think I was worthy of telling them, suggesting how they might live.
NICOLE
Really what you’re sharing, I think, is also very powerful. It’s literary writing, but it’s just powerful to be a character, It’s something I’ve written, it is my life, and that’s not all of who I am, because how is that even possible? You can’t put of all of who you are in a few hundred pages.
KRISTI COULTER
I teach memoir writing, and I say to people, there’s always going to be stuff going on in your life that doesn’t make it into your memoir. Because either you choose not to write about it, which is your absolute right, or if you’re writing a memoir about your marriage, maybe you mentioned your job a couple of times, but you’re not going to go deeply into it. Every person could probably write ten memoirs about their life because a memoir is a distillation. It’s not your autobiography. It’s not like, ‘Well, I was born in Columbus, Georgia, 1970’. Nobody needs that. So teaching it and reminding students of this constantly, I find that when I tell students they need to think of themselves as a character, the writing gets much better, and also they get more able to do the writing because they’re not thinking, ‘I am exposing my raw inner self to the world. I am choosing a framework to reveal truths’.
NICOLE
That’s beautiful. Let’s go back to one point you had too, when you said by the end of Amazon, you were starting to like yourself. I love that you have been able to separate yourself from Amazon. Your bookwork also has its own place. And would you say that you like yourself now even more than you did when you left the company?
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah, most of the time. I think writing this book was really interesting because, for the first year or so, I was convinced I was writing a memoir of failure. This is a book about a woman who failed. And I remember my husband kind of looking at me funny when I would talk like that. You could tell he was like, ‘I’m just not going to say anything, but she’s really convinced’. But it was not a lot of fun and it wasn’t going well. Then I thought, ‘No, this is a book about trauma, about long-term trauma, which Amazon did traumatize me’, but that also didn’t feel quite right. Finally, it hit me. I thought, ‘This is a coming-of-age story’. I was in my thirties and forties, but it was like a hero’s journey on its way. This is a story of a woman who grows up. And suddenly the writing got a lot better. It came a lot easier. I started to see myself differently as someone who grew at this place. It also made me look a little kindlier on Amazon as a place where this kind of growth, for good reasons and bad was possible, that I could stay at this vast company and have all these different experiences and get paid for it.
I do think of myself now as someone who grew up and now is probably growing up again. I feel like each phase of my life is going to be me growing up a little bit more and then I’ll die, supposedly. We’ll see. I’m not convinced, I think I see myself as a work in progress. Do I love myself all the time? No. But I do feel like I have things that say I am an okay person. I have things to offer the world, and I’m using my real talents to do that.
NICOLE
Beautiful. Well, it does feel very much like a coming of age through that whole process, because it is so deep and so intense, in so many phases of the book. And then at the end, you really feel free.
KRISTI COULTER
There have been plenty of journalistic books about Amazon and there have been books about policy in tech, but I’m not that kind of writer. I really did want to write a very personal book. And I think that’s where the fact that I’m a literary writer comes in too. I’m not a journalist. I don’t have that skill set. I have policy opinions as a citizen, but as a writer, I don’t care about writing about that. So that’s why I thought what I can do for the literature of Amazon or the literature of women’s careers, is let someone be over my shoulder for twelve years. In my specific peculiar career.
NICOLE
Well, I’m curious, I know you’re a literary writer and I’m sure there will be many women who, whether they’re at Amazon or other companies, will want to say, ‘Kristi, I need some advice. I’m in the thick of it. This is happening for me. What would you say is the one thing they can do, or one step they can start to take to help themselves, without necessarily quitting their job? Which could be down the road, but to be there?
KRISTI COULTER
I think the thing that Amazon really taught me was how to be comfortable with ambiguity. It’s actually one of the company’s explicit core values. And time after time I was thrown into situations where I didn’t quite know what I was doing, and I had to just kind of figure it out as I went along. I started to realize that my ability to do that was a superpower. When you know that you can kind of figure stuff out, you’ll start to seek out opportunities where you don’t know everything in advance. Because I do talk to women about this sometimes, and I say, get comfortable with the idea that you can be uncomfortable. Yoga taught me that there’s pain where you just get out of the pose, and there’s discomfort, where you would really like to get out of the pose, and you can. So I think be willing to have some discomfort. Start to think of your career less as a straight line, unless you’re going for a certain goal, in which case go for.
At Amazon, I worked in publishing, I worked in grocery, I worked in retail, I worked in HR. And it’s a hard story to tell on a resume, but it’s a narrative. It all lines up. I think that if you could boil down what you love to do and what you’re great at and start looking outside of just job titles, the world starts to open up to you. The other thing is to realize you are better than you think. I mean, there’s data showing that women won’t apply for a job unless they meet all the listed criteria, and men will apply if they meet like half. Maybe if everybody could do 70%, I would be happy. You do not need to have everything, all those bullet points. I participated in almost 900 interviews at Amazon, so trust me, I have credibility on this. I hired amazing people all the time who did not fit every bullet point.
I think women hold themselves back. I don’t want to be one of those people saying it’s just because women don’t take initiative or women don’t negotiate, because we have lots of data to show that women are punished sometimes when they do that. But I do think that women have been enculturated to go for the job that’s just right at the level where they are now or where they think they’ve got part of it nailed, but they’ve got all of it nailed. They’re not taking that risk or putting their hand up for this thing. That seems big for me, but here’s why I think I could do it, and here’s how I’m going to close the gap between where I am now and where I need to be in this job. You got to strut a little bit. Peacocking.
NICOLE
Peacocking! Also what I heard you saying is being okay with uncertainty and ambiguity, those two things. When you can do that, I mean, isn’t that a life ‘know’, to be able to handle uncertainty? A huge life skill.
KRISTI COULTER
The other thing is, when I was at Amazon, I moved to these subject areas where I didn’t know anything. I didn’t know the vocabulary of publishing; I didn’t know about how to sell food. But if you have a core skill set, like, I was a writer, I had been a product manager. I could manage people; I could think critically. The rest of it’s just subject matter. Now, could you apply this to nuclear physics or surgery? Like, no, there are places where training is very important, but you just learn these things as you go. You’ve got to distinguish between your skills and new subject matter that you would need to learn. And figuring that out was hugely important for me because it made me realize I could go into completely new areas. As long as I’ve got the core ready and things like critical thinking help you to learn what you need to know, then I felt by the end, I could go into our army recruiting program. Anything but hardcore tech or law, something where I would need a special degree. I thought I could do this. And that’s an exhilarating feeling. That really opens up the working world to you. As long as you’re finding companies that also understand that mindset.
NICOLE
Well, what you’re saying is very powerful too. It’s knowing that you really have great skill sets and then also understand that you are capable of learning, and if you’re willing to take some risks like combine both what you’re great at and taking some risks, that’s when things open up, right?
KRISTI COULTER
Right, and I taught myself some things that people at Amazon were incredibly good at. I thought Excel was essentially like graph paper on a screen when I got there, as I never had to use it. It has grid lines and everything, and I was really embarrassed at having to ask someone to teach me Excel. So, I just learned the basics. I literally got an Excel for Dummies book and learned what I needed to know. I had a project manager who worked for me that I got to know well enough to trust her. One day I just asked her if she could show me this vlookup thing, and she said sure! And so you figure it out. I realized I did not have to be a genius at Excel. It doesn’t matter. The world is not waiting to catch you out in a mistake. And you can be scrappy about what you admit to needing help with, and what you can just kind of figure out on your own.
The other thing I hear women talk a lot about is how to get over their impostor syndrome? I think everybody has impostor syndrome, including a lot of men. And I’m not sure that it’s a matter of getting over it. I think you just have to figure out how to move forward. Because if you’re getting into bigger and bigger roles or if you’re going into new spaces in your job or your life, you’re going to be set up for imposter syndrome over and over again. Because you’re always going to be in spaces where you don’t know everything.
To me, it’s better to just have this learning mindset and be ‘Yes, here I am again, the one who knows the least’, rather than think I’m an imposter. If you started to play piano and you were taking lessons and you weren’t very good yet, you wouldn’t think of yourself as an imposter. You would just be like, well, I haven’t played piano very long. Obviously, with a corporation, there’s more riding on it than that. But I remember one of my VPs, one of my bosses, stepped into a big new role where she suddenly had a lot of tech teams under her for the first time. And she said to them, “I’m going to ask a lot of questions, but I’ll try not to ask the same question twice. So, thank you for your patience.” And I was like, that’s really good. I’m going to ask questions, but I’m telling them that I’m really going to listen and process and try to continually be learning. And that’s the kind of mindset and attitude I try to have. Also, with the people I managed, ask questions, and try not to ask them twice if you can help it.
NICOLE
Well, you bring up a good point, where I thought you did well in the book around how the system at Amazon also didn’t actually serve the men, as much as it was really hard for women. It didn’t serve men either. And I think that’s true in general of society, right? The cost feels so great to a certain segment but then actually, it doesn’t serve anybody. I think that’s kind of the biggest underlying message to always remember.
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah. I find often we hear about these big sexual harassment cases in the media. Underlying it is that men were bullied. Women were sexually harassed and bullied, and men were bullied. It’s never a healthy climate for anyone. And I think at Amazon, it was bad. Like, what’s bad for women is often bad for introverts. Amazon has this very aggressive culture of thinking on your feet and being loud and argumentative. It’s not just women who are trained or sometimes temperamentally not inclined to like, but there’s also men.
I remember reading Susan Kane’s book, Quiet about introverts, and all the great leaders like Henry Ford and Thomas Edison who also needed time to go away and think and reflect; and Amazon’s just not set up for that. I remember thinking, a lot of men are not served by this either. And I don’t think anybody is really well-served long-term by a culture of ‘know’. Having people terrified is a great way to produce short-term results, maybe, and a terrible way to produce long-term results. It’s a great way to produce lots of turnover, which is expensive and costly, with stress and breakdowns. Not good things.
NICOLE
No, and thank you so much for sharing all of those insights. I really feel like I know it’s a literary memoir and it’s a character, and there’s so much to learn for anybody who is really on that journey of, ‘Who am I’? Which is really the question at the heart of it. Who am I, outside of company and job-defining about me, and how do I find myself at the end of it?
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah, I do think any woman who is either in the middle of her career or the beginning of her career, could find something in here. She’s been in this place, and how did this woman, (even though my circumstances were different), how did she think her way out of it and experiment her way out of it? I do think it’ll be helpful to people.
NICOLE
I have a few rapid-fire questions for you to complete our conversation. Let’s start with this. What was the last thing you watched on TV?
KRISTI COULTER
Broadchurch, season 3. It’s this British UK mystery and we love it. And we’re on season 3 and it’s almost over, and I’m going to be grief-struck.
NICOLE
Okay, good to know. I love mysteries. What is on your nightstand?
KRISTI COULTER
Well, there’s a lamp, earplugs because my husband used to snore. He doesn’t really anymore, but I still wear them. Laneige lip mask. It’s this balm I put all over. My Kindle, because we like dark in the bedroom. So, I read on a Kindle at night, and I think that’s probably it. And a glass of water sometimes.
NICOLE
Yeah, a glass of water. What are you reading right now?
KRISTI COULTER
I am reading the manuscript of a friend’s biography of the band REM. I am an REM super fan. And it’s so good. It’s just in the manuscript. I’m reading that and I just finished reading the new Lisa Jewell mystery, whose name of it is escaping me now. I love mysteries. Her titles tend to run together, but she’s a British mystery writer and she’s awesome. And it was great.
NICOLE
I just threw that one in because I was curious about what you’re reading right now.
KRISTI COULTER
Yeah, I’m always reading some kind of thriller or mystery. I love literary work, too, but I can read a mystery a day.
NICOLE
Oh, awesome. So fun. Okay, well, what about this? When was the last time you tried something new and what was it?
KRISTI COULTER
Yes. I just bought a box jump thing, a plyo box, because I realized I need to add some kind of plyometrics to my workout routine. I bought a really sturdy box for box jumping. I tried it but turns out I think you need to do other things to work up to being able to jump onto a box. Jumping is scary.
NICOLE
The first time you do it, you’re like, it’s supposed to be just jumping on a box.
KRISTI COULTER
I got a nice padded one and everything, but it just seems tall. This is very me to just say get the box and then jump onto it. And then be like, probably not. So, I’m doing squat jumps now, and using the box for step-ups. That was probably the last thing.
I like to do new things because I like to make myself aware that failing is fine. I remember going to a glass-blowing workshop once, as a team-building event, and everybody else made the little ring we were supposed to make, and it was beautiful. But mine was like they’d put a three-year-old in there. Like here, make something. And I was like, here’s my lump. But it was great. I had fun, and thought okay, well, there’s something else where you have lots of room to learn.
NICOLE
Well, that’s a great hot tip. If you want to be comfortable with failure, try some new things so that you just get comfortable. Like not being good at something.
KRISTI COULTER
I try finding some low stake things. Bouldering is another one. I have a long list of things that you could try, because you don’t know if you’ll like them until you try them. And if you fail, say at glass blowing, I mean, I guess something bad could happen, but it probably won’t.
NICOLE
Yeah, take a class of something new that you don’t know how to do, and then just see how it goes.
KRISTI COULTER
And if you don’t like it, fine, don’t go back.
NICOLE
Exactly. Awesome. Okay, last one. What are your top three most used emojis on your phone?
KRISTI COULTER
The laughing one, and it has little tears, and it’s crying till you’re laughing, or I mean, laughing till you’re crying, but I use it a lot. Probably the smile. I’m probably a little bit of a sexter, I guess.
NICOLE
That’s awesome. Well, Kristi, what a pleasure to have you here and to connect with you. It’s an honor to have you on here.
I follow Kristi on Facebook, and I love just all their musings and thoughts she has about what’s happening in our culture. She’s always sharing things in the world that are super interesting. In addition to the book, ‘Exit Interview’ comes out September 12th, so make sure that you get your copy – preorder, get it all in, and support this creation that she’s put into the world.
We’ll have links to get the books and links to Kristi as well in the show notes. So, Kristi, thank you so much for being on School of Self-Worth. We are so grateful for you to be here and to share all of your experiences.
KRISTI COULTER
Thank you. I had a great time, and it was amazing to catch up with you again. We’ll have to do it in real life sometime, for sure.
NICOLE
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