How to Overcome Binge Eating with Kelly Lyons

• Kelly’s tumultuous journey with diet culture and how she ultimately learned to listen to her body and lead a life not controlled by food 
• 3 main issues that can drive binge eating
• The BIG difference between binge eating vs overeating
• How Kelly learned to define her self-worth beyond the size of her clothes 
• The importance of fixing your inner dialogue and negative self-talk 
• The surprising misconception about willpower and its impact on disordered eating and our everyday lives 
• The importance of having awareness of our thought patterns and practicing awareness without judgment 
• Ways to cope with chaos as a parent and a recovered binge-eater 
• The first step to breaking unhealthy coping patterns 

“The more I tried to control my food, the more out of control I was around it.” 

“What really constitutes binging is the emotions that follow it: the shame, the guilt, the depression, the feeling of needing to make it up. Whereas overeating, yes, you are going to eat past the point of fullness, but there really isn’t that emotion or that secretive behavior around it.” 

“I have to speak to myself the way I would if I was speaking to my best friend or a five-year-old or to my children. That is really I feel like such a game changer for so many people because then we can take a look back and compare, and the way we speak to ourselves is awful. Nobody would ever want to be our friend, be our partner, or have anything to do with us if we were to repeat what we say to ourselves.

“That’s really why I started this business. I want people to realize, like, hey, there is nothing wrong with you. We have just been taught the wrong stuff.” 

“We let our thoughts take over and we don’t realize that the stories that we tell ourselves, they’re not ours. They’re from what we were told growing up, the experiences we had growing up, where our parents and our caretakers, they had their own experiences. So it’s this identity that we take on and it didn’t even come from us, and we have no idea how it even got there.”

“When you’re incorporating foods that you love with foods that make you feel good and having that moderation, you don’t have that food on a pedestal anymore. So when your day gets hard, you’re not going to race and inhale as many Oreos as possible, right? It does take practice, it does take exposure therapy. But having that moderation comes from teaching yourself how to moderate.”

NICOLE

Welcome to the School of Self-Worth, a podcast for ambitious women who know they are worthy of an astoundingly great life. Join US Weekly as we redefine success, set and sustain boundaries, and reclaim self-worth. I’m your host, Nicole Tsong, an award-winning journalist who left it all behind to become a bestselling author of three books and a work-life balance coach, helping ambitious women live an aligned life filled with clarity and confidence. Every week, I’ll bring you diverse and meaningful conversations with successful women from all walks of life who share their insights about what it takes to be brave, joyful, and yourself every day. Every single episode is thoughtfully designed to leave you feeling empowered with tangible tips and advice that will lead you to your next breakthrough. Kelly, I am so glad you’re here on School of Self-Worth. Welcome.

KELLY LYONS

Hi, Nicole. Thank you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here.

NICOLE 

I am so excited you’re here. And so, for those of you listening, I have known Kelly more really just virtually. We have similar coaches and I have followed her on TikTok, where she has just grown a ton in the last few months. And it’s been really fun to watch what you share and what you teach in particular. And so, just a little background about us and our connection. And I’m really excited to have you on School of Self-Worth, Kelly, because I feel like the topic that you focus on in particular is around binge eating and it’s not a topic that is actually really in the culture a lot. And yet, obviously, it’s a topic that is really interesting to people because you’re just getting so many people who are curious about what you’re sharing. And so I’m curious if you could just actually start there, tell us a little bit about your story and how you arrived at a place where binge eating was a thing for you and then how you got to the place where you’re at now.

KELLY LYONS

 Thank you. Oh, my gosh, I don’t even know where to start. So I am 34 right now and I started my first diet when I want to say I was a senior in high school. And I just went down this path of diet obsession and it was like every single thing that I did, all I wanted to do was lose weight. But with every diet that I did, I became more and more food obsessed. I became more and more like – I don’t even use the term psychotic – but it was like I couldn’t stop thinking about food. And the more I tried to control my food, the more out of control I was around it. And I immediately went down this black hole of like diet after diet, and then if I had something bad, then I immediately would feel guilty, have to eat everything in sight until I was going to start over again. And then I would start my diet over tomorrow. The problem was that cycle lasted over twelve years of my life. It was absolutely crazy. And it wasn’t until I stopped dieting and I healed my relationship with food that the binging stopped, the overeating stopped, the weight loss happened and I finally got to a place where I could be normal around food and have a life where food wasn’t the thing that controlled me. And now I eat like a normal person and I learn how to listen to my body and I am present in my life. And so now what I do is I help women all around the world finally get to that place who struggle with binge eating and overeating and food obsession and all those wonderful things that can come from dieting.

NICOLE 

You shared that you started dieting young, and I think many of us in the Western culture can relate to that. I also had phases of eating less or cutting back when I gained weight. I agree with you that any kind of restriction, like a whole 30, can trigger binge eating afterward. I would do that too when I finished the 30 days. What do you think causes us to binge after restricting ourselves?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah. So really binge eating can come from three different things. So one is restrictions. So any type of, whether it’s a diet or restriction, call it cutting calories, following food rules, basically where you feel like you’re supposed to be doing something or eating a certain way, skipping meals, whatever. So the first way is from restriction, the second way is from an emotionally driven binge. So for example, let’s say you’ve had certain experiences growing up traumas, or just simply put, you don’t know how to process or deal with your emotions. And let’s say your kids are driving you nuts, or you’re in traffic, or your partner is driving you crazy or something bad happens, or whatever it may be, not being able to name, identify, process, or let those emotions pass through you. That can 100% lead to binge eating. And then the third way is just habitually driven. So if you are someone who, let’s say, only sees your self-care or your me time at night on the couch, and you’ve been doing that every night for a really long ass time, and you’ve developed that habit. That’s another way that binge eating can occur, too.

NICOLE 

So interesting, I was like, I relate to all three of those ways.

KELLY LYONS 

Believe me, I did too. And you know what? It’s very nuanced because that can be from binging, but that can also just be type of overeating or stress eating or emotional eating, where I deal with all those different types of overeating and coping types. But when it comes to binge eating and overeating, they’re very different.

NICOLE 

Could you say a little bit more about that, the distinction between the two?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah, absolutely. So the big difference that I talk about with the people that I work with, is binging. It’s not so much about what you’re eating. Yes, you are eating a very large quantity of food in a very short period of time, but the behavior around it is what usually constitutes as binging. So, for example, there’s a lot of shame around it. There’s a lot of guilt around it. It’s usually done in a very fast and furious motion. It’s not like where you’re sitting on the couch having a little bit of popcorn and then maybe having some chips, then some grapes, then some ice cream in this slow, relaxing way. It’s this go, go must eat. Now. I must do this while no one’s here and no one can see me. And then what really constitutes binging is the emotions that follow it. The shame, the guilt, the depression, the feeling of needing to make it up. Whereas overeating, yes, you are going to eat past the point of fullness, but there really isn’t that emotion or that secretive behavior around it, if that makes sense.

NICOLE 

That does make sense. I feel it’s like overeating a little bit, maybe more sometimes the stress eating. Because I feel like this happened for a lot of us during COVID and the pandemic. There was a lot of stress eating. A lot of overeating.

Okay, so helpful for you to define those terms for us. And so now I’m curious. Just go back to your journey a bit. You were on and off this binge eating cycle and all this dieting for a long time. Where was the moment where you realized it was a problem? And then how long did it take you to actually do something about it?

KELLY LYONS 

Gosh, that is a really good question. I think one of the biggest things when I looked back, I don’t want to say upset, but I would be jealous at looking at the way people ate normally. So, for example, I would go out to dinner with my friends, and my friends would be having chicken parma or pasta or delicious pizza, and I would be like, okay, I need a grilled chicken salad, dressing on the side, no cheese. So I looked like that perfect, healthy eater. But then I would go home and I would eat everything in sight when no one was around. And for me, that’s when I realized, if I have this fear of eating foods I love in front of people, that’s an issue. I think it was just the cumulation of that over and over, of having this persona of, wow, she is so healthy. She’s always dieting. She’s exercising three times a day, which is a whole problem in itself, and then going home, and binging. It’s almost like living this double life.

That’s when I realized it was a problem, how long it took me to fix. It took me a very long time because I was using the wrong methods. I thought I could fix it by having more willpower or by telling myself to get my act together. I kept saying things like, “I’ll get back on track tomorrow” or “I’ll be good tomorrow”. But those things actually made it worse. They were based on the rules that diet culture imposes on us, and those rules were not working for me. So I decided to do something different. I decided to eat what I really wanted, without guilt or shame. I remember the day I went to my favorite Italian restaurant and ordered tortellini with penne vodka sauce. I ate it at a table, with attention and enjoyment. I listened to my body and stopped when I was full. I was only halfway through the dish when I felt satisfied. I started crying because it was such a powerful moment. I realized that I could eat normally when I allowed myself to eat. That was the beginning of my journey. I learned that not dieting doesn’t mean eating recklessly or unhealthily. It means eating intuitively and moderately, according to your own needs and preferences. You can have pizza, pasta, ice cream, cookies, and anything else you want, as long as you respect your hunger and fullness cues. When I understood that and put it into practice, my life changed completely.

NICOLE 

Well, thank you so much for sharing that, because I sometimes overeat just because I feel like the food tastes so good, and then just stop when you’re like, oh, I’m full, yeah, I’m good. Right? And it is like what you said, I think sometimes that diet culture has really taught us that when you don’t diet, you are going to gain so much weight and be a huge mess.

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah, like if you don’t measure your spinach or weigh the amount of grapes that you’re eating, that you’re doomed for failure. That may sound very extreme in the way I’m saying that, but when people diet for so long and they try to have this perfect body or look a certain way, it becomes so obsessive that they are terrified to not weigh their food or to not count calories, or terrified to not use My Fitness Pal or Track. And we don’t realize that it completely consumes us well.

NICOLE 

So on this podcast, we talk a lot about self-worth. And I’m curious for you, where did it tie in, even starting to diet? Where was your worthiness journey in connection and relationship to how much you were binge eating, and then actually stopping it?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah, I think that’s one of the reasons I was so excited to come on this podcast, just talking about self-worth, because behind binging there is so much guilt and shame. Those are actually the two biggest emotions that drive binging. So a lot of people don’t have a sense of self-worth. And I say that through the people that I work with, but I also say that through my experience and when I was dieting: my self-worth was the size of my jeans. My self-worth was the number on the scale. And that number on the scale determined what I was going to eat that day, what I was going to feel that day, the way I would speak to myself, the way I would let others treat me. So my self-worth was so external that I didn’t even know how to feel worthy. And you don’t realize that. You don’t realize it when you’re in it. It’s until you step back, and you look back, and you’re like, wow, how did I ever live that way? Yeah, it’s crazy. And I’m so happy I’m not there anymore.

NICOLE 

Well, can you talk about how that journey was, like you said, ‘Okay, I’m just going to eat normally.’ And if you look back at the self-worth piece, how did you start to define your self-worth outside of the size of the clothes you wear, or whatever it is that you had going on?

KELLY LYONS 

Well, the biggest thing I feel when it comes to finding my self-worth was just knowing that I am worthy. I am worthy of respect. I am worthy of self-respect. When I look back at my relationships (and this is what I tell my members and everyone I work with), it’s like we are such compassionate, loving, kind people. If my best friend in the whole world ever came to me and said, ‘Kel, I just binged. I hate the way I look. I just ate this. I’m fat, I’m a stuffed sausage’. Like, I used to tell myself all these terrible things, what would I say to that person? I would never say, oh my gosh, you suck. You’re worthless. You’re all these things, right? I would have so much love, compassion, and kindness towards that person, and empathy. But then why can’t I show that to myself? Why can’t I relay that? Why do I beat myself up for what I eat and let that turn into a binge? And once I realized that I have to treat myself the way I treat others, and speak to myself the way I would if I was speaking to my best friend, or a five-year-old, or to my children. That, I feel, is really such a game changer for so many people, because then we can take a look back and compare – see that the way we speak to ourselves is awful. Nobody would ever want to be our friend, be our partner, or have anything to do with us if we were to repeat what we say to ourselves.

NICOLE 

Absolutely. I love what you’re sharing. When you really start to listen to that inner dialogue, right? And that’s what’s driving so much of binge eating or any other challenges and stresses that we have. And I deal a lot with women who are really challenged around listening to their intuition, stepping into their purpose, and a lot of it is that they’re blocked because they’re so stressed out and speaking to themselves so negatively. So what you’re sharing is really spot on for people. It’s like, how do you start to really stop that conversation so that you can now make a different choice when you’re eating, and then you’re really seeing that your self-worth is not tied up into that. That’s just actually food to nourish, you like food because you enjoy food. Food to be like you said, and I always laugh when you say it, with a normal person. I was like, diet culture has warped us so much that I guess it isn’t normal to just eat pasta for dinner.

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah, for some people. And it’s so funny because I remember saying, I just want to eat normally. And people who work with me, they’re like, I just want to eat like a normal person, and how sad is that? And I don’t mean sad like, oh, what’s wrong with them? But how sad has diet culture, like you said, warped us for that to be, like, on a pedestal? Like, oh, I just want to eat normally. Oh, I want to be able to have a bowl of ice cream after dinner and then be done. And we don’t recognize where that came from and what that came from. What is diet culture, these rules? Are you not enough unless you look a certain way? And that’s the problem. And that’s really why I started this business. Because I want people to realize, like, hey, there is nothing wrong with you. We have just been taught the wrong stuff.

NICOLE 

Totally. I love that. There is nothing wrong with you. Literally nothing wrong with you. Well, let’s speak a little bit more about willpower, and that really stood out to me, because I think a lot of times when it comes to food and your body, we think it’s just about willpower. Can you talk a little bit more about how willpower is not actually related to what you’re speaking to?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I could talk about willpower all day, because I feel like people always talk about it when they talk about food. But in reality, we use willpower all throughout our day, 24/7. I used willpower to make sure I came to the appointment that I set with you for this podcast. Right. We use willpower to make sure we get up on time. We use willpower to make sure we don’t kill our kids. We use willpower to make sure we don’t snap at our boss or whatever. And we don’t realize how much we use willpower. And what happens is we go throughout our day and our little finite thing of willpower, we chip away, chip away, chip away. And we don’t even realize it. And then one thing happens that sets us off, and we immediately lose it.

For people that struggle with overeating, stress eating, binge eating, and we immediately say, what is wrong with me? I can’t do anything right. I do this, this, and this. And this person still cuts me off. Or I’m still late for this meeting. Like, f…it, I’m going to eat. And then the first thing we do is blame our willpower. But we don’t even realize we used all of it leading up to that point. And we blame something that we have so much of. So in reality, we should be celebrating our willpower, because we use it for everything, right? If no one had any willpower, people would just be running around like chickens without heads, not doing anything they said they were going to do, right? 

I think a lot of times we blame willpower when in reality, there’s nothing to blame. We just don’t know how to trust our bodies because we’ve been listening to rules or trying to listen to food rules that don’t serve us all day. We have no idea how to name and process and let these uncomfortable emotions pass. We’ve always been taught big kids don’t cry. We’ve always been taught to just walk it off, shake it off, whatever. And these things bubble up and they turn into these really disordered eating habits. That was long-winded. But yeah, I could talk about willpower all day.

NICOLE 

I really liked what you shared about willpower, because I also think about it, like when you go to the store and they have all the things at the end because you’ve made so many decisions through the store, and then by the end, you’ve lost your willpower because you’ve had to make all these decisions. And then they put all the candy at the end!

KELLY LYONS 

Right next to the magazines that are, like, lose 20 pounds in three days.

NICOLE 

I have read stories about that. Grocery stores are specifically designed that way, right, to draw you in. And so that’s why I don’t even know all the tips for how you navigate grocery stores. But I’m curious for you, then, you say it’s not really about willpower, what can people do to start chipping away at it a little bit and be like, okay, it’s not really about willpower. What is it? I know you were saying processing emotions, but what is even one tiny thing people could start to do to say, oh, it’s not that I have a lack of willpower?

KELLY LYONS 

That’s a really good question. So before we even get into that, I think the first thing we have to do, and this is probably one of the most important parts, is having awareness of our thought patterns, right? Because we think one thing and we immediately go down that rabbit hole of negativity. For example, we wake up and we say, oh, my gosh, I look terrible. I’m so fat, my jeans don’t fit, blah, blah, blah. And then all throughout the day, we’re just repeating those things. Or we are amping up anything that’s inconvenient or anything that may just be a minor negative. It’s becoming so much more because of the way we started off the day. We started with these patterns that are just building and building and building.

Before we even talk about willpower, all I want people to do is practice awareness without judgment. What am I saying to myself, right? How is that making me feel? And then how is that leading me to the next negative thought? Because having awareness without judgment, that’s stopping us going down the rabbit hole. If we’re able to observe what we say rather than actually be in what we say, rather than saying, oh, my gosh, I’m so fat, it’s okay. I just observe myself calling myself fat. What is something I can say instead? And it doesn’t need to be this overly positive. I’m beautiful, I’m perfect. Because that’s not believable either. But it can be something as simple as, hey, I may not like the way I look, but I deserve to treat myself with respect today. And just that neutral tone can stop that runaway train in its tracks. I think even before we get into that willpower, it’s all about all that stuff that comes before it, which is our thoughts, the way we think, and the way we see ourselves.

NICOLE 

Yes. Which is like its own very long journey into that conversation we’re having with ourselves all day. And how do you start to put in a gap and not actually just immediately believe it or think that it’s true, whatever you’re saying to?

KELLY LYONS 

There’s someone on Instagram, I don’t even know how to pronounce his name, and I absolutely love him. He says you don’t have to believe every stupid thing you think. And I think that is so beautiful and so true. And it is. We let our thoughts take over and we don’t realize that the stories we tell ourselves, they’re not ours. They’re from what we were told growing up, the experiences we had growing up, where our parents and our caretakers, they had their own experiences. It’s this identity that we take on and it didn’t even come from us, and we have no idea how it even got there.

NICOLE 

It’s so true. I feel like that sometimes. We’re so automated in our brains. And I taught yoga for many, many years, and that’s the whole process. Right. It’s like separating yourself from the thoughts that you have and getting grounded and present. And it’s a constant. It’s like a never-ending thing because it’s trickling into all these areas, especially food and how you think about food. Well, let’s switch topics a little bit, because you’re a mom, how old are your kids? Can you share with us?

KELLY LYONS 

Yes, I have a son who is three, and I have a daughter who just turned one. So I got the little babies.

NICOLE 

She’s got littles. So you healed yourself and really worked through all the binge eating, and then I’m sure that your children sometimes bring up the emotions and the stress and the other things that could cause you to want to do it. So how do you manage that for yourself? Like, when you’re feeling that stress or the kids are screaming, or whatever is going on with the things that might make you want to binge eat, how do you navigate that?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah. Kids screaming, chaos. Basically, every day of my life. I think the biggest thing is just giving myself grace. And once you go through the process, you can actually feel what happens when the kids are screaming, when the house is chaos. You literally go through fight or flight. I can feel my heart racing, my hand sweating, my adrenaline pumping. And I have to practice calming myself. Right. What is it? Don’t wait for the storm to pass, calm yourself in the storm. There is this quote where it’s like you’re not trying to weather the storm, you’re trying to change yourself internally. I have to calm myself and then everything’s going to be okay. So while that sounds a little super positive, I really make sure to make time for the things that are important to me. I am extremely lucky, I am extremely privileged. My husband works from home and yes, he is working all day. It’s not easy by any means, but we schedule time where I can get in even a 15 to 20 minutes workout. Because for me, that gives me clarity, that gives me energy, that makes me a better mom, right? And sometimes I have to talk to my husband and say, hey, I need five minutes. And I will just go sit in a room with silence and stare at a ceiling.

But really the most important thing is just understanding that the urge to want to eat, to just comfort and push down those really uncomfortable feelings, all that’s going to do is just make it louder, right? And then I am not strengthening that muscle of being able to calm myself. So something I really love to do is called four-seven-eight technique. It is not mine, but it’s a really great breathing pattern where you inhale for four, hold for seven and exhale slowly for eight. And what that actually does is help calm you, regulate your nervous system. And believe me, lately Nicole, I catch myself doing that more times than I’d like to know.

And when it comes to the actual food portion, I really make sure that I’m eating what I like. Because so many people that struggle with binging and emotional eating go throughout their day following all the rules, right? They’ll have the yogurt with berries that doesn’t taste good at all. They’ll have the steamed chicken and broccoli. They’ll have the apple and half a tablespoon of peanut butter. And then when one thing goes wrong, they go for the Oreos, the ice cream, the pizza, and everything. But in reality, when you’re incorporating foods that you love with foods that make you feel good and having that moderation, you don’t have that food on a pedestal anymore. So when your day gets hard, you’re not going to race and inhale as many Oreos as possible, right? It does take practice; it does take exposure therapy. But having that moderation comes from teaching yourself how to moderate.

NICOLE 

That’s so helpful that you just start to practice and bring it in so that you can actually, just like you said, eat normally, and you’re eating things that you like, which sounds like is part of the key.

KELLY LYONS 

Yes, that’s a huge part that is so often overlooked.

NICOLE 

Yes. Well, I’m curious too. Are there ever moments when you’re feeling super stressed and you’re like, I know you have all these practices, but then there are still moments when you feel tempted by your old habits? Is there any part of you that has to just like… So I’ll just give an example not related to food, but sometimes if I’m really stressed and I want to get over it, I think about the cost of staying in that state. That’s one way that helps me get out of it. I’m like, okay, Nicole, the stress is too much. You have to go do something. You have to go on a walk or hug the dog or do something to feel better. Do you have those moments where binge eating sort of creeps into the back of your mind and it still wants to knock on the door and be like, go down this route?

KELLY LYONS 

That’s a really good question. Binge eating? No. But when it comes to overeating? 100%, because I’m normal and I’m human, eating normally coincides with actually overeating at times. So, I think that’s a really big component of understanding that part of being human and part of eating well, is that we want to step away from trying to be perfect. I think that’s so important too.

NICOLE 

Okay. Yeah. Well, you and I both work with people who are perfectionists, which is where a lot of that can come from. Right?

KELLY LYONS 

Perfectionists. People pleasers. All those lovely things.

NICOLE 

Right. Being hard on yourself and then continuing to be hard on yourself. Well, I’m curious, you already gave us that lovely breath tip. What would be a tip for somebody who’s maybe just starting to try to figure this out? Would it be focusing on your thoughts? What would you give them as the first thing to start to look at?

KELLY LYONS 

I think the first thing is 100% focusing on your thoughts, because we don’t even realize half the things we tell ourselves, right? And what we say. If we start off our day talking down to ourselves or stepping on a scale and not liking what we’re seeing or just beating ourselves up if we had a piece of toast or a whole banana instead of a half – recognizing your thoughts and just asking in a non-judgmental way, is this actually helping me? Is this serving me? Because until we actually look at our patterns, we are not going to be able to break them. So that is probably the first and the most important step.

NICOLE 

I love that it is really that: just starting to see and recognize your patterns, and then that’s going to give you the freedom.

KELLY LYONS 

And without judgment, too. Everyone, we are all doing the best that we can. And like you said, we’re perfectionists. We are so hard on ourselves, and all that does is perpetuate a future binge or a future episode where you’re like, f… this. I’m just going to eat everything in sight because we’re never going to be perfect, and you’re setting yourselves up for failure, and unfortunately, that’s a coping mechanism with people who struggle with binge eating.

NICOLE

Well, I feel like my brain has so many thoughts here, Kelly, because I love what you share, and it is really thought-provoking, because I feel like there are a lot of different avenues that our stress shows up, and food is definitely a big one for so many of us. It’s like when you’re looking to just have a healthy relationship with food? It’s like anything – how do you have a healthy relationship with your body and starting to really generate that for yourself? And that’s what I really appreciate about what you share. It’s like, well, how can you just have a relationship where it’s I can eat that, and then I can be done eating that, and that’s fine. My husband and I made Rice Krispy treats yesterday, and I’m like, well, I’ll just have one.

KELLY LYONS 

That’s amazing.

NICOLE 

Yeah, but sometimes I look at them, I’m like, I could eat a bunch of them just because it tastes good. And just like a healthy relationship is, I just have one and it’s delicious.

KELLY LYONS 

Something that’s so amazing with the people that I work with, they’ll be like, wow, ice cream got freezer burn in the freezer, or the chips went stale! Back in the day, we would never be able to even have them in the house, or else we’d binge on them. Or being able to have Rice Krispies sit on the counter for a day or two. That shows a good, normal, healthy relationship with food. So that’s what it’s all about.

NICOLE 

Rice Krispie treats. I love it.

KELLY LYONS 

Oh, my gosh. You have to share with me next time. Those are so good.

NICOLE 

All right, Kelly. Well, let’s do our rapid-fire questions. Are you ready?

KELLY LYONS 

Okay, I’m ready. Let’s do it.

NICOLE 

Amazing. All right, the first one is what is the last thing you watched on television?

KELLY LYONS 

Oh, we are currently watching The Bear, on Hulu.

NICOLE 

I’ve heard really good things about that. I don’t have Hulu, so is it really good?

KELLY LYONS 

You know, it’s really, really good. It’s a stressful show. I’m all jacked up after I watch it, but it’s really a good show.

NICOLE 

Okay, and then what’s on your nightstand?

KELLY LYONS 

Oh, my gosh. A picture of my son. Not of my daughter, because I am that person who does not update pictures in years. So just my son when he was four months old, and now he’s three.

NICOLE 

Amazing. Okay, and then when was the last time you tried something new and what was it?

KELLY LYONS 

Oh, I am actually reading a book by Joe Dispenza, and I just tried one of his meditation series, and that was about 30 minutes before me and you had this chat.

NICOLE 

Amazing. Which book of his are you reading?

KELLY LYONS 

‘Breaking The Habit Of Being Yourself’. I love personal development. I love self-growth. I am a crappy meditator, so I am trying to get better at it.

NICOLE

I know. I love that book. It’s really insightful.

KELLY LYONS 

It’s really great.

NICOLE

Awesome. Okay, and then the last one. What are your top three most used emojis on your phone?

KELLY LYONS 

Oh, my gosh. The mindblown. I’m also big on the cheers of champagne. I like the party hat one. And my absolute favorite, the melting face, because that is me all the time with the kids. I use that one way too much.

NICOLE 

Somebody else on the show mentioned the melting face, and I had never used it. And then afterward, I started using it all the time.

KELLY LYONS 

You know what? It is applicable to everything. I live for the melting face. That’s just me every day.

NICOLE 

I know, totally. I was like, yeah, melting face is awesome. Well, Kelly, what’s the best way for people to find out more and learn more about you?

KELLY LYONS 

Yeah. I am mostly on Instagram and TikTok @kellylwellness, and you can find my website at kellylwellness.com.

NICOLE 

Awesome. Well, Kelly, what a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much for sharing all your wisdom. I’m sure there are some mind blown emojis after our conversation today, so thank you.

KELLY LYONS 

Thank you so much. Nicole, this was amazing.

NICOLE 

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